I don't think it has come up i this thread, but what are your average wind speeds?

Zapper, the 4m is going to be a good kite that you will really love. I was similar to you and had experience with stunt kites before power kites. It helped me a ton and basically meant that I already knew how to fly a power kite, and only had to learn a few muscle memory traits that come with flying each individual kite you might own. My first true power kite was the 5m Prism Tensor. I prefer my Toxic over my Tensor for the buggy, but the Tensor is still a fun kite to throw around. My girlfriend loves flying the 5m static while I buggy on the 8m. Now I just have to get a second buggy for her :P

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I know I should have gone for a Beamer or the like for first kite and the toxic is a high aspect fly,is there a way to tame the angle of the toxic bridle

The toxic will be way more fun than the beamer - so don't regret that choice. Being a higher aspect kite will make it faster with a wider window - it may have a tendency to overfly occasionally, but that's ok, just add a touch of brake or steer away from the edge of the window if necessary.

I don't know if it has an AOA adjuster - but I wouldn't be concerned about that for static flying. You may have to tighten or loosen the brakes to suit but that's easily done.

I agree with John, the toxic will be a more challenging (which equals more fun in my book) kite to fly that you can grow into more than the beamer.

You won't be disappointed. 4m still has a pretty large wind range and isn't too slow. + it sounds like you have relatively low winds? If you ever decide to get in motion the 4m will make for a bit better engine than 3m .

thank you thank you for reassurance ,now i'm exicited again hopefully might get get in post today ,winds here are quite low ,i do take my stunt kite to a small local beach town (40 miles away) now and then Mablethorpe where i think there is a buggying scene although at 47 i think i'm a bit old for buggying , i just love kites and i think people in my village must think im a big kid ,but whatever ,someone once said to me if it makes you happy then do it . I will post vids and pics when get the hang of it.
Mike

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although at 47 i think i'm a bit old for buggying ,

Nope. I'm nearly 50 and four of the guys I buggy with regularly are older than I am. Besides, a nice comfy seat to sit in while you fly your kite...AND do 50kph down the beach - what more do you want? :D

I'm certain I've seen a bunch of vids from Mablethorpe - including some of Popeye's. And he can custom make you one of the best bugs in the world. If I was in the area....or even in the EU! I'd pm Popeye, find out when he was going out next and go and introduce myself. His site is Popeyethewelder.com

Trust me on this...buggying is GOOD

The 4m will be fine mate. Its just going to limit your top end a bit if you are just flying it static. On the other hand it will generate more power than a 3m in light winds so if thats what you have to work with most of the time then you will maybe have more fun with it.

The toxic is higher aspect than a beamer to get it to fly further foward in the Window for upwind performance but the Angle of Attack is not set to create lift so unlike some high aspect wings it is not likely to lift you skywards unless you want it to.

Its also a kite that flies great "on the brakes" meaning that you can use them to initiate fast turns and keep a little tension to limit the speed without affecting tha handling much

A 3m is a great size to start with because you can throw it around in most conditions and really learn to fly it. 4m is starting to become more traction oriented but it is not too big. You just need to be a little more cautious and with your experience flying deltas you will be more than capable. + I don't know how heavy/tall you are but if you are a bigger guy a 4m was probably the right choice.

thanks lives2fly, cant wait to get going and i think john may have tempted me to get some wheels maybe a land board ,are mountain boards any good as i only mainly fly on fields some ploughed , if im lucky a field left over from summer with straw stubble. Do you have any suggestions for a very exiting 3 meter kite for static flying something a bit faster than the 3.0 beamer

john i have just looked at your kiting vids ,wow you have some fun ,like the jump with buggy

An exciting 3m kite? That would probably be the Toxic 3m!! But since you're getting the 4m, maybe the next one make a 2 - 2.5m - something you can use in 15-20 knots - particularly in the bug. For a mountain board, fields would need to be well eaten by sheep - much more than an inch and a half of grass would be problematic - I think, I don't ride one myself. Buggy wheels are a lot bigger, but even so, 3" of grass really starts to slow you down. I actually get out into the paddock with the ride on lawn mower to cut myself some tracks for the buggy (although that often generates a bit of 'eye rolling' from the better half!)

hi all, toxic 4.0 arrived not tried yet after seeing idiots on you tube i am a bit scared , i have also bought a IMP QUATTRO 3.0 i am trying that first hopefully this afternoon , John holgate i have only just clicked that you are guy on youtube doing tuts on kites, ive been looking at your beginning tuts for ages . Videos of toxic 4.0 coming maybe next weekend

Looking forward to vid of either kite. The quattro is a relatively docile kite - although I remember when I first flew mine (2.5m) the power shocked me a little compared to my deltas. Mine's been dragged and bashed in the paddock for 4 years now and is still in good nic. Hope the tute's have been useful.

i knew the imp was a mainly entry level kite i thought maybe i could get the wife interested leading to more trips to the beach,no kiting for a while here we are having high winds ,i took stunt kite out early sunday morning and was struggling for footing so now chance of powerkite flying.John you are very lucky if that is your "paddock " in your land bugging videos.