still waiting for my toxic 4.0 to arrive ,does anyone know if there is any adjustment to be had to alter angle of aspect or to change power in kite (same thing really i think)

The Toxic is a fixed bridled kite. There is no 'active' adjustment other than pulling the top or bottom lines through the handles. If you ordered your Toxic with a fixed control bar then those adjustments will not exist either. If you are looking for 'active' or 'on the fly' type of power control then you probably would want a depowerable kite instead.

You can fly the Toxic off of the Ozone Turbo Bar. This would probably be the closest you can get to a depowerable kite although it would still not be the same.

Hope that helps.

thanks for reply ,i have ordered toxic 4.0 everyone told me to get 3 meter kite ,i don't want to buy another kite in a few weeks ,but i now realize that from all you guys on forum that one kite is no good for all conditions , and i am panicking that the toxic 4.0 is going to be unusable to me for static flying ,it comes with handles for 4 line flying , i am also looking at imp quattro , not sure if i can cancel toxic ,but i could always return ,im very confused i dont know what to do , i have a few years flying stunt kites

Quote: Originally posted by zapper

i am panicking that the toxic 4.0 is going to be unusable to me for static flying ,

I don't think you have any reason to panic. The Toxic is not that powerful a kite regardless of what you read here. Just don't start out on a day that the wind's nukin', you will be fine.
S

thanks scudley, no more questions from me ,next contact will be video of me flying toxic, thanks all for advice

will you be taking it to Skeggy?

You can play with and adjust the AOA and/or projected area of any FB kite (and so effectively reduce the power) by using line gobblers or ,better yet, reducers which allow you to reduce the power in any increment between 0 and about 20 %. The maximum reduction possible depends on the bridle system and aspect ratio.

You will enjoy the 4m Toxic. No need to worry.

It sounds like you have pretty low winds so the extra size won't come into play too many days. You also sound like you are sensible and are likely to pack it in if it gets too much.

Lots of folks have started on 4m kites and it doesn't sound like too many regret the choice. I can't say that for folks who have gone straight to a 5m as a 1st kite.

Here are some tips for your 1st flight:

Avoid including the brakes at 1st ! Fly with the top line between your pointer finger and middle finger and point the bottom toward the kite. If your kite won't go to and sit at zenith or goes into spins odds are you are applying brake input by accident .

Don't try and fly the kite all over the place. Try to control it !
Start out just trying to keep the kite high and calm. Do this for a few minutes. It will feel like a waste of time but you are setting reflexes. Next start rocking back and forth slowly up high . Again, do this for a minute or 3 more than you think you need to.

Next start flying figure 8s up high avoiding the power zone down low. Feel how the kite will sit at the edge down both sides by setting the kite lower on each side . Work the edge to About 10 and 2 and then back up to zenith . Anytime you get into trouble get the kite to the edge and try to calm it down.

Start to get a feel for the brakes. Use them to back the kite back down to the ground. It is a balance game .

Only after you feel comfortable with the above stuff do you want to start working the kite into the power zone.

Relax and enjoy the kite you bought. It was a good choice !

While you can manually alter FB kites it is better left to folks who have experience.

hey scudley how do you know about skeggy ,i take my stunt kite there in summer when my little lad wants to do some sand castles . Is skeggy that famous that you know of it in Vancouver

thanks bladerunner for such a detailed help message ,i will take your advice

Quote: Originally posted by Prussik

You can play with and adjust the AOA and/or projected area of any FB kite (and so effectively reduce the power) by using line gobblers or ,better yet, reducers which allow you to reduce the power in any increment between 0 and about 20 %. The maximum reduction possible depends on the bridle system and aspect ratio.

I tried to Google "line gobblers" and "reducers" and found nothing relating to FB kites. Anyone else with info ??

In the 90’s, when WPI was working on ways to adjust the power on FB kites I came up with a few ideas how to easily shorten bridle lines in small increments. Thus a “line gobbler”, a little gadget that does just that was born. It proved to be very useful to adjust AOA and PA. I used it on all my kites for a number of years but the ease of use and its effectiveness depended on the bridle system of a kite. So eventually, when confronted with the ever increasing number of kites with the mixed, horizontal and vertical bridle systems I limited the use of the gobblers in favour of the equally or more effective “reducers” combined with occasional use of line gobblers for AOA adjustments. A reducer is a thin line of adjustable length joining points of attachment of power lines to the bridle leads. Adjusting the length changes PA and so the power – higher AR allows wider power adjustments and conversely - not suitable for Nasas. There is very little stress on this line so it can be very thin to make the added drag irrelevant. WPI ran a number of tests comparing higher performance kites “reduced” to “non-reduced”(e.g 5.0 reduced to 4 vs 4.0, etc) and has not been able to detect any loss of performance. In fact the turning ability and upwind performance was sometimes better then the non-reduced equivalent. There is a noticeable increase in resistance to the turning input. The maximum reduction of power is determined by the shortest length of the reducer which should be longer than the strop length or limited by folding tips. This is no substitute for a depowerable kite when there is an advantage of using one but allows the use of a fewer kites as well as a quick change of size with changing conditions. With an addition of a 5-th line operated by the free hand, the reducer can be used on the go but other than the tests I ran on small kites to see that the idea works, I never found a need for that.

Line gobblers got a new lease on life when I started modifying Nasas, specifically adjusting AOA and trailing edge pull for better performance.

Quote: Originally posted by Prussik

In the 90’s, when WPI was working on ways to adjust the power on FB kites I came up with a few ideas how to easily shorten bridle lines in small increments. Thus a “line gobbler”, a little gadget that does just that was born. It proved to be very useful to adjust AOA and PA. I used it on all my kites for a number of years but the ease of use and its effectiveness depended on the bridle system of a kite. So eventually, when confronted with the ever increasing number of kites with the mixed, horizontal and vertical bridle systems I limited the use of the gobblers in favour of the equally or more effective “reducers” combined with occasional use of line gobblers for AOA adjustments. A reducer is a thin line of adjustable length joining points of attachment of power lines to the bridle leads. Adjusting the length changes PA and so the power – higher AR allows wider power adjustments and conversely - not suitable for Nasas. There is very little stress on this line so it can be very thin to make the added drag irrelevant. WPI ran a number of tests comparing higher performance kites “reduced” to “non-reduced”(e.g 5.0 reduced to 4 vs 4.0, etc) and has not been able to detect any loss of performance. In fact the turning ability and upwind performance was sometimes better then the non-reduced equivalent. There is a noticeable increase in resistance to the turning input. The maximum reduction of power is determined by the shortest length of the reducer which should be longer than the strop length or limited by folding tips. This is no substitute for a depowerable kite when there is an advantage of using one but allows the use of a fewer kites as well as a quick change of size with changing conditions. With an addition of a 5-th line operated by the free hand, the reducer can be used on the go but other than the tests I ran on small kites to see that the idea works, I never found a need for that.

I just took another Percoset and still could not understand this. :-(

Excuse the cartoon drawing (LOL) , but are we talking about the red line in this picture

jellyfish?

Quote: Originally posted by abkayak

jellyfish?

You making fun of my drawing I'll have you know I spent 30 seconds on that piece of art