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[*] posted on 16-11-2013 at 12:43 PM
PKD Cross-over Bar


Just spotted this bar on coastal wind sports.

Looks like a great cheap alternative to the Ozone turbo bar.

Thinking about ordering one.

Anybody tried it?

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[*] posted on 16-11-2013 at 01:05 PM


I have both. The PKD Buster bar works great. It is a little different than the ozone though. You don' t have to have a harness and you can't stall the kite by pulling on the bar. What are you looking to do?




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[*] posted on 16-11-2013 at 01:23 PM


This bar and the Turbo bar go about controlling the kite different.

I have no personal experience with the Turbo bar. With a Turbo the front lines connect to a trim strap on the center of the kite and you turn with the brake line connected to the outside. Similar to but not exactly depower is accomplished.

With the crossover bar you connect front lines to the outside of the bar and the brake lines go to the mixer in the center. When you turn the bar on this kite a 2:1 input is added to the brakes. The harder you turn the bar the more added brake input is applied. This method increases your turning speed greatly but does nothing as far as depowering.

Not all my kites liked a crossover bar. Small kites can feel the extra weight of the pulleys when they are flying below their rated winds. Usually this issues only showed up in low wind. Once the kite was well powered things settled down. For some reason my 4.5 Bullet hated the bar and yet it was a perfect match for my 7m Bullet ?

It seemed as though the crossover wasn't enough added input for it to shine on my 9m Blade ? It worked on it but didn't speed up turns near as well as it did on the 7m Bullet.

I guess I am saying these are a good way to go if you must go to a bar but be aware that how it effects each kite will be a bit different. Bars are nice but you give up a LOT of fine control in turn.

I turned away from bars on FB one day when I could not fly my 5m Ace worth a bean on the bar in some terrible wind. I put handles on the kite and it was like night and day. It was still a struggle but with handles I worked in a session.



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[*] posted on 16-11-2013 at 01:25 PM



Looking to get a bar for my 3m Ozone Little Devil.

I have flown it on the standard Ozone FB bar but it gets a little unruly sometimes.

Hooked in not needed.

I did own the original Turbo and it is an amazing bar just a little overkill with how I plan to fly this kite.
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[*] posted on 16-11-2013 at 01:30 PM



Looking to get a bar for my 3m Ozone Little Devil.

I have flown it on the standard Ozone FB bar but it gets a little unruly sometimes.

Hooked in not needed.

I did own the original Turbo and it is an amazing bar just a little overkill with how I plan to fly this kite.
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[*] posted on 16-11-2013 at 07:58 PM


I've got one that I've been using on smaller beamers. The bar works great on those. I found the brake adjustments can make a big difference in how fast and responsive the turning is. The bar is less money than a set of handles so what's to lose ? PeterLynn makes
a quick release strop for use with a harness that works with this bar.



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[*] posted on 17-11-2013 at 03:10 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Benjo  

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Hooked in not needed.

I did own the original Turbo and it is an amazing bar just a little overkill with how I plan to fly this kite.


This sounds like a good answer to your own question.

To get the most out of a Turbo bar you must be hooked in. Not so with the crossover bar. If you choose to hook in you can buy a D-loop with QR cheap .



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