woodneers
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bar or handles?
land boarding with a harness which works best a bar or handles?
i need a kite! Wish I never sold them.
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Pablo
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Bar eventually, keeps one hand free to handle the board, also makes it easy to lean back and see where you're going. But you will lose a little
control over the kite with the bar compared to the handles, so handles may be easier to start off.
Sysmic S1 Buggy.
0.7m / 1.4m / 2.0m PKD Buster I
4.4m PKD Buster
10m JoJo RM+
6m Flysurfer Outlaw
12m Ozone Access
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B-Roc
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I think it depends on the kite and conditions. Anytime the kite really needs to be worked (bad winds or low winds) I find handles to be your best
option. Some kites prefer to be flown on the brakes or with some brake on so handles work best for them though they can be flown on a bar.
A bar is more comfortable in combination with a harness then handles, IMO.
In the end, a lot of it will come down to preference and what you want to gain or give up - there are trade-offs to both.
Depower Quiver: 14m Gin Eskimo, 10m Gin Eskimo III, 6m Gin Yeti, 4.5m Gin Yeti (custom bridle and mixer)
Fixed Bridle Quiver: MAC Bego 400, JOJO ET Instinct 2.5 & 5.5, Lil Devil 1.5, Sting 1.2
Rides: Ground Industries
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Bladerunner
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If you are going to a bar I recomend you modify it. I started out with my bullet on a standard 4 line bar and the performance was poor compaired to
handles. Pablo has set me up with a 2 / 1 pulley system on the brakes and it makes ALL the difference. All it takes is 3 pulleys and some line.
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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Pablo
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Yup, 9m Buster was a total pig on the bar as well, swapped it over to a 50mm pulley bar setup and it'll turn on a dime now, seems more solid in low
winds as well. We've had everyone at the local spot try the setup and it's agreed, it's by far the best bar setup any of us have ever flown.
Still need pics to post up.
Sysmic S1 Buggy.
0.7m / 1.4m / 2.0m PKD Buster I
4.4m PKD Buster
10m JoJo RM+
6m Flysurfer Outlaw
12m Ozone Access
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woodneers
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where can i find a bar for my 5.5 buster or 7.0 bullet?
i need a kite! Wish I never sold them.
Message me if you can help with this issue.
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Pablo
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I've been getting bars off E-bay then doing some light mods. Last one I picked up new was $35 to my door. Needs a $5 pulley and a safety strap and
it'll be good to go.
Sysmic S1 Buggy.
0.7m / 1.4m / 2.0m PKD Buster I
4.4m PKD Buster
10m JoJo RM+
6m Flysurfer Outlaw
12m Ozone Access
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domdino
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i prefer bars these days...
give you bit more freedom - also you can't fly depowerables on handles (well... not really!) and that's what it's all about!!
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Taper123
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Bar -> Handles
Hmmm... I've always used handles for my foils as I have better control over the kite that way. But this weekend I did a bad thing... I had a 9m LEI
in the air, and jumped on the mountainboard... and went for a couple mile ride in both directions up the beach.
Handles give more finesse for the kite, but the bar makes it so easy...
Now what I need to research is how to convert the bridles of an 8m I made into a depowerable foil.... and use it on a bar.
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Pablo
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Psssst, cross over bar setup, all the benefits of turn speed you get from handles with the convenience of a bar. None of the low end loss you get with
depowerables either. I've done it to my 9m Buster I and it'll turn on a wingtip.
Sysmic S1 Buggy.
0.7m / 1.4m / 2.0m PKD Buster I
4.4m PKD Buster
10m JoJo RM+
6m Flysurfer Outlaw
12m Ozone Access
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Kiteboarder2B
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psssst....pablo......we want some pics please:frog:
If you think it\'s hard explaining HOW something works, try explaining WHY it doesn\'t work.
Sportin\' a Kitewing Monofilm Rage 5.5 (my go to sail), Kitewing Dacron IV8
10m Flysurfer Psycho 2 (incoming and my wallet outgoing), 5m PKD Buster, 4.8 NPW, 3.6m Ballistic Burner, 3m Skytiger, 2.1m Little Devil, 1m IMP
Surfin\' the dirt on a 16\" Flexi Freestyle Dirtsurfer with Hookworms, MBS F3 bindings, Dakine stomppads, and a custom Trampa deck (my go to
board)
20\" GP-X Dirtsurfer
16\" GP Freestyle Dirtsurfer
MBS Atom Longboard
PL Comp ST
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Taper123
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Kiteboarder2B
psssst....pablo......we want some pics please:frog: |
Yea... I'd be interested to see what Pablo means as well 
Have some pics or a description??? I've got an extra Naish bar lying around...
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B-Roc
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Pablo posted his crossover mod in a post earlier this year at this link
http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=3107#pid129...
Depower Quiver: 14m Gin Eskimo, 10m Gin Eskimo III, 6m Gin Yeti, 4.5m Gin Yeti (custom bridle and mixer)
Fixed Bridle Quiver: MAC Bego 400, JOJO ET Instinct 2.5 & 5.5, Lil Devil 1.5, Sting 1.2
Rides: Ground Industries
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Kiteboarder2B
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sweet, thanks b-roc
If you think it\'s hard explaining HOW something works, try explaining WHY it doesn\'t work.
Sportin\' a Kitewing Monofilm Rage 5.5 (my go to sail), Kitewing Dacron IV8
10m Flysurfer Psycho 2 (incoming and my wallet outgoing), 5m PKD Buster, 4.8 NPW, 3.6m Ballistic Burner, 3m Skytiger, 2.1m Little Devil, 1m IMP
Surfin\' the dirt on a 16\" Flexi Freestyle Dirtsurfer with Hookworms, MBS F3 bindings, Dakine stomppads, and a custom Trampa deck (my go to
board)
20\" GP-X Dirtsurfer
16\" GP Freestyle Dirtsurfer
MBS Atom Longboard
PL Comp ST
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Bladerunner
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Yup,
Pab's set me up with a cross over bar and I'm lovin' it !
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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