Some of you guys may remember a while back I spent some time refabricating some parts of my VTT hybrid buggy. If not or if you want a reminder check out Raising my ride height

Well the height was dramatically improved, and when I put 2 18x8.5-8 tires in back and a midi in front (an actual 16" rather than barrows) it was even better.

However you may remember I had to make my downtube kinda goofy. The reason I did it like this is because initially when Van sold me these rails (they are prototype VTT Stinger rails) I had him put a clamp on the front to fit a PL Comp XR downtube because I intended to use them only as a Tandem to pull my girls so I could interchange the parts if I wanted. That said, I measured for what seemed comfortable and fabricated the swan neck downtube this way so it would fit in the 1.5" square stock ready clamp angled to fit the XR.

Edit: I realize this is not the entire story, ...after I had them assembled for the first time, I was so impressed that I decided to use the XR as the tandem and use the stinger rails for my own buggy... It's been morphing and evolving ever since.

Currently looks like this:



Unfortunately at JIBE this year, after A. trying to ride more extensively with a harness, and B. riding for MANY consecutive hours, I realized I had made the downtube too short... My glutes (yes my arse muscles) were getting UBER sore... In other words, it was a pain in the @55. I decided at JIBE that I needed to revamp the front end of the buggy. So when I got home, I put my Comp XR Frankenbuggy back together for riding and set the VTT aside to fix up when I had the time.

Well, I'm all gimped up with a broken toe and a big honkin' boot and can't go kiting, and I'm done with school for a semester, so I decided its time to Revamp the clamp and downtube. So I've been hobbling out to the shop to work on it the last couple of days and I've gotten a good start and thought I'd share with y'all the progress as I go.

I thought about just adding some length to the downtube as is, but thought it would be a pain to do it and ride and realize it was still not right, so why not make it "proper" and fully adjustable like it's supposed to be. Here is the clamp as it is currently.



I pulled out the original drawing of the downtube and erased and redrew it with a 10 degree pitch on the long piece going through the clamp to help make the seat fabric go over the clamp.



Since I'm going with a 2"x 1.5" stock for the downtube, I need to use a wider flat bar stock for the clamp, and I'm fortunate that I have a couple of pieces of 1/4" x 4" flat in the shop which is exactly what I wanted. I cut them to the same size, clamped them together and drilled them.



With my angle grinder I shaped the new clamp pieces and then I cut a block of 2x12 at a 10 degree angle, and set the rectangle tube all on the block to see how it looks.



Tonight I plan on cutting the old clamp off the rails and maybe tacking the new ones in place... We'll see, and I'll keep y'all updated on my progress.

I thought your hybrid looked great at JIBE. I really wanted to see what the Stinger seat felt like though.
Maybe next year.

I noticed (aside from the cramping in my gluteus Maximus) that looking at the pics of myself riding compared to other guys, that my knees are WAY more bent that other guys'.

Remind me in May (if I end up making it out there) and I'll let you give him a ride... If I can give the Black Widow a spin!

Absolutely bud. Me casa su casa.

Hope you guys can make it again.

ditto,... its all a matter of when wifey's parents get the rental on SSI.

I digress... After clumping around in this boot for so many days, my legs were too tired to stand it out in the shop last night (its amazing how being forced to walk all funny can wear you out)... the story will continue possibly tomorrow.

I spent some time tonight in the shop meticulously cutting off the old clamp. I was very careful in doing so in order to maintain as much length in the rail as possible and to preserve the one and only cutting wheel I had for my angle grinder .... It was much more time consuming than I expected, but I got it done and set up to see the clamp looks like in place.



I plan on welding it all up tomorrow night.

Looking good. Is there a bearing that goes in the neck for the fork like the pl downtube?

Quote: Originally posted by ssayre

Looking good. Is there a bearing that goes in the neck for the fork like the pl downtube?

Yea, I had to fabricate it to receive the front fork just like the PL downtube. I used a 2" OD pipe with a 3/16" wall with another piece of pipe with an OD to fit inside the 2" pipe for a "shelf" to rest the bearing on. It was still a fuzz too big ID for the bearing so I wrap the outer race of the bearing in Teflon plumber's tape to take up the extra room and fit the bearings more snugly.

I'm about to head out to the shop to weld on the clamp. I'll take a pic and post it later.

Here you go Sean, here's the headstock of the downtube made to suit the Comp XR front fork.

Back out in the shop tonight. I took the time to make sure it was all squared up as much as I possibly could by creating a common point near the end of the mock downtube and measured to the ends of the back axle. Once I got it to where it measured the same to each end of the axle, I would know it was square.



Once I was certain I had it all good, I did my best to clamp it down.



I have to admit it's been too long since I've done any welding, and I'm quite ashamed of the poor quality of welds I created,... So much so that I'm not going to show you any pictures of them. I did a bit of work with the angle grinder and cleaned one of them up.



Tomorrow, I'm planning to finish grinding the new clamp and then rework the downtube.

Back out to the shop last night to finish up the fabrication. I finished up grinding the other clamp and then cut and altered the existing downtube, in order for it to specifically fit the new clamp.



So I put it together to have a look-see and by measuring, I've added 5-6 inches of length.



Can't wait to see it all painted and put together!

Looking good bro! That 5 or 6" of adjustment will make all the difference in the world!

Looks like a kite buggy bone yard hanging from a canoe.

Do you have it back together? Hopefully you get to try it out soon. Or go canoeing, either one would be fun.

I've been letting the paint cure for a few days, and today I picked up new hardware for the clamp since the old stuff was all rusted. After the girls were all in bed, I was out to the shop to reassemble the bug. Last night I reattached the padding and covers over the rails so tonight it was just a matter of nuts and bolts.

Here is a close-up of the clamp lookin' pretty and new with fancy grade-8 hardware.



And the clamp all together with the new downtube. I've definitely added a good 5" of length.



Add the seat, clean off the table and shoot some pics and he's all done. I could tell it's been a while because the seat still had sand in it from JIBE...





IMHO, it looks totally bad@55

Those 5" make the whole thing look bigger. I am really pleased with the results. As you can see there is a good proper amount of knee bend (yes I took off the broken-toe-boot for the pic.)



I've got another week in this blasted boot, then I'm off to ride!!!

Tomorrow afternoon, I'll take him out and get some proper pics after work.

Looks nice, tinkering is half the pleasure...

Ok, so for fun, I thought I'd post some before and after pics so you can see the difference. It may not come across in photo, but it is a big difference.

So I'll start with all 3 iterations of the VTT Stinger-XR Hybrid buggy:

First, the original version had a VTT Cricket Back axle and a strange attempt at a swan neck downtube on Barrows...



Over time I realized it was too low... cuz my backside kept bumping the ground as I went on rough surfaces, so there was the big upgrade in the "Raising my ride height" thread. And later I added bigger tires as well...



And the newest edition with the revamped clamp and downtube to suite, I've also since made my own splash guard ...



Not sure how visible the difference is, but I know I can feel it. If you look at these awesome pics that Scott took (flyguy0101... thanks buddy), you can see how much my knees are bent... and I felt it at the end of the day... I'm now realizing how much my butt effects what I do to my buggy.





compared with a shot attempted from the same angle...



The broken-toe-boot has some effect on the bending of the left knee, but i think you can see the difference in the right leg, what's more I'm noticing with the downtube stretched like this is that I'm resting the ball of my foot on the pegs rather than the arch ... forgive me showing off the baby too

Thanks for joining me in as I ramble about my doings in the shop ... in another week, I'll be out of this boot and riding.

Looks really good

Another upgrade worth doing is to add heel straps. They have a number of benefits:

- you can relax your legs more (important if your out for a long ride)
- less chance of you feet falling off the pegs when going over pot holes etc
- you can ride with straighter legs and still turn tightly because whilst one foot is pushing the other can pull against the heel strap.

You can make some up quickly and for little cost. Let me know if you want some pictures of my set up.

Yea, IMK, post some pics, I'd love to see.

Nice work on both buggy and baby :D

I like IMS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-s suggestion of adding heel straps. I don't have any but can certainly imagine them making it even more comfortable and easy to use.

I clamped some mountain bike head stems onto my foot pegs so that I could fix the straps at the ends. For straps I used 50mm (2 inch) wide snatch straps / recovery straps available from most auto shops.

The metal buckles make it easy to adjust. The buckles were left over from my daughter's baby car seat. You can buy spares from most places that sell baby car seats (they are used to cinch the seat belts together). My heel straps have held up to some serious abuse whilst buggying through pot holes the size of pumkins and are still going strong.


I believe John Holgate uses seat belt material for his heel straps.


With your style of foot pegs I've see people clamp on bicycle handle bar ends. These can be bought as either straight or bent. I've mostly seen people use the bent variety.



If you go this route all you need to do is loop one end of the strap around the handle bar ends and the other through the top of your fork. You'd need buckles at the ends of each the strap to make the loops (i.e. 4 buckles and 4 loops in total). This would then be similar to John's set up (although his buggy comes with the foot peg ends installed).

You could always create a fixed loop at one end the heel strap (e.g. sew or install eyelets) and just use buckles at the other ends.

Very cool... I may eventually do that ... its been SO long since I've ridden that for now I just wanna get rolling. Its been unseasonably windy this summer and I've been so busy with school and work that I had to just watch the trees sway ... but now (in a week when I'm "healed") I'm ready to get out there!!!

Thanks for sharing IMK!

Good work bud. Looks great. Agree with IMK. Stirrups are nice for straight leg ridin'.