I am finally getting comfortable with my 19m SA and I am loving it!

My Navigator bar has an adjustable stopper on the trim line. I sure missed it an the long runs with the SA. Bar pressure is not extreme considering but it would have been a huge advantage to be able to pull in the stopper and let it do the work.

Can anybody tell me the best way to add an adjustable stopper to my Flysurfer bar? It is modified to 5th line.

When you use the stopper don't you lose some of the range of bar travel...? If true, what are the benefits of a stopper...?

Quote: Originally posted by cheezycheese

When you use the stopper don't you lose some of the range of bar travel...? If true, what are the benefits of a stopper...?

Yes, I often found that cruising along with the kite set and low I got tired of holding the bar trimmed in a bit manually and one handed. I spent a lot of time cruising with the bar all the way out. Being able to set the stopper in a bit would have allowed me to relax against the stopper and still have the bar slightly powered.

Lazy, yes. Crazy, ???

Does the stopper increase the wear on your depower line.

Depends on how you set it up. A little extra chicken loop line can offset the line occupied by the stopper when at full extension. Unless there's a burr or some irregularity I don't see stoppers causing much additional wear. I've never had an issue anyway. Blade's right though, kites like that are really nice with a stopper.

Quote: Originally posted by cheezycheese

Does the stopper increase the wear on your depower line.

That hasn't been an issue on my Navigator bar but it doesn't get a lot of use.

Suck it up and hold the bar:evil::evil::evil::D

Verify with Jeff or John that the 5 line won't cause an issue, but otherwise, this might be worth a look.

Even if Ron sends you a pink wetsuit... :o




ATB,
Sam

the s2 has a long bar with single-depowerline.... all the stopper balls i've seen are for dual-depowerline bars. with a single-depowerline bar i dont think there is a stopper ball mod.

Can't remember what the bar pressure is like on the S2 19 but I remember thinking I needed a stopper too.

Actually put one on the S3 15 bar... Bloody annoying. Have to keep fiddling with it and it drove me nuts.

Bar pressure on the Speeds is lovely, you don't need stoppers. What Ron said...!

I have the single line on the Flysurfer bar. The one on my navigator bar is a double line style.

Bar pressure is really reasonable for the size of kite. The thing is, I bought this kite for running long beaches and hard water. It parks and rides like a dream with minimal correction required. I found that going the long haul and keeping the bar pulled in slightly with my hand in the middle would allow me just that bit of trim I needed but left me just shy of AOXO. Running with the bar fully out meant I could relax completely and correct the kite without effort. Running depowered worked to relax but wasn't ideal.

I am without a doubt looking for the lazy mans way out. I could " man up " as Ron says. Knowing that a stopper would work for me on this kite and having one on a completely different bar is what has motivated me to see if you can fit one to a single line?

Ron, you are one person I really want to loan this kite to. It may not win you over to depower but you are sure to be impressed. If I don't make Grayland this month and you do, please borrow it!

As Blade said it's not a bar pressure issue it's just for long cruises when you have to sheet in and hold for a long time you can get fatigued. Run into this on the older Speeds and the Chrono as well. There are ways to improvise a single line stopper but none that I've tried do so without chewing up the line. And trying to get it to work with a coated line like on an Ozone is tough.

With a race bar you can at least adjust your trim and adjust your sheeting so you can use different muscle groups and offset the fatigue. But for long cruises a stopper is sweet.

I don't know if it is possible, or even a good idea, but have you looked at 'cam-locS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K- line adjusters? I know they are not purposed for this application, but they could be re-purposed for this, they handle quite a bit of pressure/weight, I have used them as a lift block to adjust the height of hanging plants.

i have used various type and makes , the PL 2 line ball and block has been the best of the lot and still on several bar sets i have and use regularly.

the only single line that worked was a cam lock where the depower line actually has a heavy plastic sheath cover. it worked but had to have the rigid plastic on the depower , otherwise it was hit or miss and would slip and then rattle up and down the line which was not so good.

for flysurfer i really have not wanted it may be my style of flying, the feel in the bar or something ...prolly the lighter wind needs alot of attention at the bar.

for some kites i would straight wire without a trimmer with really short depower line which was for older PL arcs, its a tedious exact line set up but puts the kite at its best performance in conditions i typically use them, favoring the higher end range of the kite. so basically its fully depowered on custom leaders without a trim strap where i could also choose the throw in the bar as well.

for long hard running its a nice break for sure. i forget some units i have have them and some don't but its ALWAYS welcome when i see them.