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[*] posted on 24-5-2016 at 05:32 PM


OUCH!

Set your brake lines at the farthest knot from the handle then move them closer as needed. Having them hang a bit loose at 1st won't be a bad thing. It will help you avoid unwanted brake input. Once you are comfortable 2 line set the brakes so they have a slight arc when not in play but are tight enough to back the kite down.



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[*] posted on 24-5-2016 at 05:39 PM


Quote: Originally posted by r1ch  
Went out again tonight and she well and truly kicked my butt! Dragged me all over the place before I could get up to the zenith! Landed me literally on my face, soon learned that adrenaline does not agree with common sense, I knew to let the kite killers do the work but my brain wouldn't let go of the handles! Steep learning curve today and possibly a black eye! But I did carry on flying and gor her up above and flying well eventually!

Rich


Welcome to powerkiting! The 3m vs 4m advice has a slightly different ring to it now, doesn't it? I'm not poking fun at you; Lord knows I was there as were doubtlessly so many of us.

Somebody needs to do this, so l'll step up on behalf of the PKF family and post one of our all time classic short videos:



This acrobatic "Superman" start (and rapid conclusion) to a powerkiting session is referred to as a "hot launch". By now I'm sure you can appreciate the vernacular of that expression. Bladerunner is providing you great advice and I won't attempt to encroach on his superb coaching, not to mention that he has FAR more experience than me. What I will say is you could do well to learn how to launch a kite from more of the side of the wind window than directly downwind which will rocket the kite vertically right through the meat of the window under brisk conditions, aka hot launching. Next up is the helmet advice.



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[*] posted on 24-5-2016 at 05:49 PM


This is making me warm all over...it was great right?...Nothing like this sport:thumbup:
I really hope it's blowing tomorrow...take a breath and realize your gonna dominate that kite
Ohhh coastalwindsports.com and read up...watch utube launch and land vids..it all helps a lot
I'm so excited right now



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[*] posted on 24-5-2016 at 07:01 PM


HOT LAUNCH! Oh hells yes! Whenever I can... 0 to 20 in 20 ft.!!
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[*] posted on 24-5-2016 at 08:36 PM


One of my favorite videos:





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[*] posted on 24-5-2016 at 10:58 PM


Quote: Originally posted by rtz  
One of my favorite videos:



Stupid is as stupid does.



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[*] posted on 24-5-2016 at 10:59 PM


Quote: Originally posted by WELDNGOD  
HOT LAUNCH! Oh hells yes! Whenever I can... 0 to 20 in 20 ft.!!
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I gots to agree. I hot launch almost exclusively. I was just throwing New Guy a friendly bone to save his face some beating at first. :frog:



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[*] posted on 25-5-2016 at 03:54 AM


The first time that I attempted to fly my Rage 2.5 (which was my first time flying a Power Kite), the winds were in the realm of 15-20 KTS. I knew better from advice that I had gained by reading and watching videos, but I just had to fly it.

So up it went directly downwind, and then a right turn resulted in me being dragged to the right while not squarely facing the kite. This caused my right ankle to twist resulting in a moderate sprain. At no point during this brief session did I have any control over the kite whatsoever.

Still undaunted, I decided to relaunch, and up the kite went again. I think it was a bit confounded as to why I had not learned my lesson the first flight, and this time, the kite decided to pull me right over onto my face.

In a way, I am glad for having experienced the above foibles with the kite. I was not hurt beyond a couple of days with a sore ankle, and I learned a very valuable, 'hands on' lesson. Also, as I have introduced others to the sport since then, my first experience has caused me to be very conservative in this regard. It is one thing to use bad judgement yourself, as I did the first time, and quite another to use bad judgement when the handles are in someone else's hands for the first time...
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[*] posted on 25-5-2016 at 05:30 AM


my 2nd kite was the 4.9 blade...promised the guy that sold me it i wouldn't put it up that day cause it was blowing 20 and id be smarter than that...had 2 8sec sessions but lived
you must have total respect for the kite because they never respect you...btw pretty shore i have a torn bicep from 6 weeks ago from that blade...that beating was insane but
still flying right thru it...cant bring myself to miss a decent blow, i hope you have a great time today, waiting for your next post is killing me

r1ch, we want to fly w/ you or at least watch...where are you at?



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[*] posted on 25-5-2016 at 04:42 PM


Thanks for the advice guys! Yeah the confidence has taken a battering but like I said I knew I needed to get the kite up again straight away! I could really use someone to fly with me but unfortunately I'm in the uk! Gonna hit YouTube and try to work out where I went wrong apart from not letting the killers do the work! All advice will be received and listened to I really appreciate the help! And yes feel free to take the mickey too! I can take it I promise

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[*] posted on 25-5-2016 at 07:54 PM


You understand that the kite produces minimal power at the edges of the window ? If not search wind window.

Re-read my previous points. Avoid brake input at 1st etc..

Try and AVOID the power zone at 1st. CONTROL the kite at the edges of the window until you are responding by reflex memory. Then start flying it through the power zone. Once you are doing that without thinking too much you can start to play with brake input.

Speed = Power. Don't fly the kite fast at 1st. The kite sees apparent winds when you do that.

Search " side launch " as a method of launching in strong winds with minimal pull. Hot launching ( straight down wind ) in high winds isn't a good idea at 1st.



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[*] posted on 25-5-2016 at 08:01 PM


You are in a bigger kiting community than he US. There
has to be someone within 50Km of you,and a great spot to fly. This sport is way bigger across the pond. Glad only your pride got hurt,it's just like we try to tell people.It's alot more power than you think. Wind and kites power is quantitive not linear. I bet you get tired of just static flying and buy/build a buggy/board within a year . :ninja: :lol::lol::lol:



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[*] posted on 29-5-2016 at 03:16 PM


Today's update, the 4m arrived the other day, opened the bag and the handles had been left attached and the line wound around them which I know is ok, but they were tangled in the bridle, so I had to wait until I could lay everything out and untangle it! Took us about an hour but got it sorted and had a damn good maiden flight! In fact my daughter flew her for longer than I did, very stable and a little bit slower than the 3m one! Overall very happy with both kites if still a little bit scared!

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[*] posted on 29-5-2016 at 05:55 PM


The hook is now set.. welcome to our world!!!



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[*] posted on 29-5-2016 at 06:59 PM


It certainly is! And I can't thank you all enough for the advice! Every time I come on here I read something else that I need to know! Like today the kite flew over and behind me, obviously then collapsing and coming down (which just happened to be the only flying my daughter filmed) now I know I should have used the brakes and pulled it back a bit, so glad I joined, there doesn't seem to be a decent active forum over here unfortunately!

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[*] posted on 30-5-2016 at 09:07 AM


Quote: Originally posted by r1ch  
Overall very happy with both kites if still a little bit scared!


And there you have it! In my opinion, this is what sets that hook.

I think when many people imagine the idea of kiting, it conjures up the image of a young child standing in front of that colorful, cardboard display in 7-Eleven during a brief soda and sunscreen stop while headed for a nice family beach day.

"Daddy, can we get a kite?"
"Sure", says Daddy, "That will be fun."

But it isn't fun...well, maybe a little fun - if they are able to get the cheaply made thing to even fly - and soon the kite finds it way back into the beach bag never to be flown again.

Power Kiting however - at first - seems to be like 'breaking' a wild stallion. It is unpredictable, dangerous, and as such, it can hurt you very badly. Once the wild stallion is 'broken' though, one begins to realize that there are many things that can be done with it. It still needs to be respected for its strength, but it's the control of this strength that makes it very useful and interesting.

I say, cherish that "scared" feeling, even if it's only just a little bit there in the background. If it totally goes away, many of us would probably loose our strong interest in this hobby...
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[*] posted on 30-5-2016 at 12:28 PM


If you don't run into and remain scared...your doing it wrong



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[*] posted on 30-5-2016 at 04:21 PM


Quote: Originally posted by brockrock1000  
Quote: Originally posted by r1ch  



Power Kiting however - at first - seems to be like 'breaking' a wild stallion. It is unpredictable, dangerous, and as such, it can hurt you very badly. Once the wild stallion is 'broken' though, one begins to realize that there are many things that can be done with it. It still needs to be respected for its strength, but it's the control of this strength that makes it very useful and interesting.

I say, cherish that "scared" feeling, even if it's only just a little bit there in the background. If it totally goes away, many of us would probably loose our strong interest in this hobby...



Flash Austin used this same analogy in the 1st Red Bull King of the Air video. He does so holding down a wild old early generation inflato. It really drives the point home. It played a HOOJ part in turning me on to the sport.

I miss the good old days when I would be driving to a session and the hair was standing up on my arms. I wasn't sure if I was scared or excited but I KNEW I was living! I don't get that rush on my way out very often anymore. :(

Another option to avoid over fly is to turn the kite a bit before it overshoots the edge.



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[*] posted on 31-5-2016 at 04:44 AM


Well apparently I damaged my shoulder rotator cuff in the fall so don't think I will be flying this week so lots of YouTube research going to be done! Although the doctor did say no lifting! Is flying lifting;)

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[*] posted on 31-5-2016 at 06:32 AM


Quote: Originally posted by brockrock1000  
Quote: Originally posted by r1ch  
Overall very happy with both kites if still a little bit scared!




Power Kiting however - at first - seems to be like 'breaking' a wild stallion. It is unpredictable, dangerous, and as such, it can hurt you very badly. Once the wild stallion is 'broken' though, one begins to realize that there are many things that can be done with it. It still needs to be respected for its strength, but it's the control of this strength that makes it very useful and interesting.




The "stallion " is you Grasshopper... You must not fight yourself. Finesse is your key to success. When you learn to drive ,is when the kite will become alive. :ninja: WG :ninja:




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[*] posted on 31-5-2016 at 12:28 PM


Too true! And slowly, it is happening.

Rich, take some time off and fully heal. This is a long term game, and you don't need a persistent injury that keeps you on the sidelines...
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[*] posted on 31-5-2016 at 12:55 PM


Quote: Originally posted by r1ch  
Well apparently I damaged my shoulder rotator cuff in the fall so don't think I will be flying this week so lots of YouTube research going to be done! Although the doctor did say no lifting! Is flying lifting;)

Rich


maybe a good time to try a depower. you don't need your shoulder for that :eureka:
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[*] posted on 31-5-2016 at 01:14 PM


Oooooo depower! Another kite to invest in ;)
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[*] posted on 31-5-2016 at 02:42 PM


So for the record, do you understand why we recommend a 2-3M fixed bridle as a first true power kite?? What would you recommend now that you've flown a bit??



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[*] posted on 31-5-2016 at 04:57 PM


Yeah the advice was bang on! I think my problem was letting go of the handles and letting the killers do the work! Everything in your brain screams not to let go! It's not natural, until you have done it! The first thing I made my daughter do when she flew the other day is let the handles go and learn how it acts! I'm just glad I asked for the advice! Things could have been way worse!

Oh and I have found a local flying group who meet on a Thursday! So going up this week hopefully to watch and learn :)

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[*] posted on 31-5-2016 at 05:38 PM


Awesome, welcome officially to the addiction, get well, fly safe and strongly consider a helmet.. The skull is no match for an ill timed wind gust.



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[*] posted on 31-5-2016 at 06:57 PM


Yes sir! Armor up!:thumbup:



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[*] posted on 1-6-2016 at 05:54 AM


for the record im not for having ones daughter hooked in to kite killers...would rather chase the kite
at least when its blowing proper



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[*] posted on 1-6-2016 at 06:01 AM


What he said ^^

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