Alright guys. I'm going to make a new purchase and I would like to see what you guys think. I've been flying for 3 years now on handles and desparately want to get into depowerables after trying out a friend's a while ago. I've been boarding for a year now and been buggying for 2 years.

I've looked everywhere and done alot of research and narrowed it down to two choices:

7m HQ Montana2 for the price, ease of use, range, and versatility.....or

13m Peter Lynn Scorpion for the stability, wide depower range, ability to use it on land, snow, and water.

I'm stuck at a crossroads here and don't know what to invest in. Any help will do.

you get what you pay for ...... also consider re-sale value and safety systems.

therefore between those 2 kites , i'd go with the scorpion..... but it will be less user friendly right away and envoke more practice and experience.

for a bridled depower foil i'd say OZ or FS

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Originally posted by powerzone you get what you pay for ......

Amen to that! I don't know anything about Scorpion but from my experience, I can recommend either Ozone Frezy or Manta or Flysurfer Phycho III. Yeah, they are expensive but remember, you get what you pay for...... - Brian

The Scorpion is very user-freindly- just different than you might be used to. It comes with video CD and a good, clear manual. Do as they say and you will be fine. Big thing is to properly pre-inflate. Pablo was right on about adding up to 8" pigtails on the rear lines for light wind.

The M2 is a nice kite too. Very stable and easy for that type of kite. Turns on its tips.

Scorpion has more de-power. It's something to be able to let go of the bar and almost forget the kite up there while you have a sandwich or something.

13m in a Scorpion is a good all around size for water/ land/ snow, thanks to the adjustablilty.

I've had more time on the 16m Scorpion now, I find that at 250lbs I can be out on the kite in the water in 12-14mph winds with a bigger board all the way up to 30mph no problem on land with an ATB, Huge wind range, super stable. But it takes some tinkering and patients to really wring the kite for all it's worth. If you stick with it though the performance is amazing. The kite handles at speed well, with it on a hot setting the lift is awesome and the kite has wicked float, super stable for the gusty inland/mountain winds.

I usually add the pigtail extentions now to get more forward speed out of the kite and when I'm on the water I fly off the main pigtails to get more bottom end and lift. Basically all the pigtails do is extend the range of the depower you get from adjusting the sheeting. I've used it a fair bit on the buggy, atb, and kitesurfing and I can say it really does all things well, not a race kite, but it does all things well.

Down sides, poor performance in sub 10mph winds, takes some getting used to for launch/landing and tuning methods.

Anyone know anything about the Sabre? Seems promising.

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Originally posted by primekutzz Anyone know anything about the Sabre? Seems promising.

The Sabre is a fantastic kite, especially the new one. The old one had a few issues with tiptucking on the earlier models but you could fix it easily enough by shortening some of the lines a coupla inches. This wasn't a problem though if you fly at a beach in very steady wind.

The sabre II is a bit more agressive, more stable, generally a better kite, as with everything by flexifoil, the quality of the kite is top notch and has obviously been tested extensively. A great snow/land kite. Unfortunately you can't really use it on water... that's where flysurfer comes into play! The psycho III flies similar to a sabre II and is probably the best kite on the entire planet :singing:

Don't take my word for it though, go and try them all out!

Regarding Peter Lynns, i've recently moved over to flysurfer from peter lynn and very happy about it. The peter lynns are great kites but i always have much more fun on my flysurfers

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Originally posted by primekutzz Anyone know anything about the Sabre? Seems promising.

Flexifoil SabreII? I used to own SabreII 7.5M, didn't like it and sold it after a week. It's not the kite itself I didn't like but I couldn't stand the bar.

Being a Flexifoil fan, I've decided to give another shot on SabreII and purchased 12M later, but this time kite only. I took out 5th line option and added Ozone 60cm bar and lines. I liked it and decided to keep it this time.

Can't wait to go out to snow with that "Frankenstein." - Brian