revpaul
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Libre Vampir vs PKD Brooza II ??
4m size.
i realize there is a Vampir II but I am looking at the Vampir.
quality material/ craftsmanship is cool but i don't have any sense for knowing the difference(s).
so, more interested in flight characteristics/handling in inland conditions w/ buggy. durability is key too.
tried macboy' s 7.5 Brooza II but it was a little big for the occasion.
Paul
PKD-0.7m Buster, 1.4m Buster, 1.8m Century
HQ-Beamer III 3m
PL-Reactor 3.8m, Reactor II 6.9m
Ozone-IGNITION 1.6m, Little Devil 4.5m, 7.3m Frenzy
Pansh-Sprint Ltd Ed 5m, 7m Ace
Flexifoil-Blurr 5m
FS- Pulse2 12m, Speed 1.5 17m, lots of Revs and dual line stunters
Sirocco Sprint 4.2, 5.2 -SIROCCOx 5.2-
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Krohn1999
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If you are going to be flying mostly inland take the Brooza II
It is alot more stable than the Vampire with the same speed.
The vampire is also a good kite but not as easy to fly. I Don't like the adjuster system that Libre uses, PKD did alot better job. Another kite you
should take into concideration is the Reactor. If you put him on 16 to 18 meter lines he will be faster than both the Brooza and the Vampire, but with
more lift. so it does depend on your flying prefrence, but I can tell you that I don't fly Vampires anymore but the Brooza II and the Reactor will
stay in my bag for along time.
BTW The Vampire 2 is actually more a race kite than an intermediate but they classified it as an Intermediate so it would sell better. So if you are
looking for serious speed and stability is not that important it would also be worth looking at.
In the end they are all good kites. go out and fly them all and see which one fits you best.
Hope this helps.
Chris
P.S. If you are flying a brooza in strong winds trim it a little flat and then you can fly a little longer before changing to a smaller kite.
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Kite bag:
Ozone Yakuza GT, Methode, Flow, Imp
Peter Lynn Reactor II, VAPOR, Core
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Another kite you should take into concideration is the Reactor. |
Hi Revpaul,
I know it's not on your list of kites on the header but I can certainly recommend the Reactor as well. I have the 4.9, 6.4 and 8.3. I fly almost
exclusively inland and they are very stable, powerful for their size, and the upwind is very good. Quality is good as well. Reasonable price point as
well.
Flexifoil Blurr 2.5, Ozone Cult 3.5, Nasa Star 3 4.0 Ozone Yakuza 4.0, PL Reactor 4.9, JoJo RM+ 5.0, Ozone Method 5.0, Ozone Yakuza 6.0, Flexifoil
Blade IV 6.5, Nasa Star 3 7.0, PL Vapor 7.8, JoJo RX 8.0 (in route), Flexifoil Blade VIP 8.5, PL Vapor 9.4, Ozone Yakuza 10.0, PL Reactor II 10.8, PL
Vapor 16.1, PL Venom II 13, PL Charger 15, 19, Flysurfer Unity 12, Flysurfer Pulse 2 14, Flysurfer Speed 2 SA 19, Flysurfer Speed 3 21, MBS Comp 95
landboard, PL Folding buggy, PL XR+ buggy, Slingshot LFT, Lots of surfboards
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revpaul
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thanks for the tip on the Reactor. I will check it out.
Paul
PKD-0.7m Buster, 1.4m Buster, 1.8m Century
HQ-Beamer III 3m
PL-Reactor 3.8m, Reactor II 6.9m
Ozone-IGNITION 1.6m, Little Devil 4.5m, 7.3m Frenzy
Pansh-Sprint Ltd Ed 5m, 7m Ace
Flexifoil-Blurr 5m
FS- Pulse2 12m, Speed 1.5 17m, lots of Revs and dual line stunters
Sirocco Sprint 4.2, 5.2 -SIROCCOx 5.2-
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reactors are good kites ... one flier here has one. its user friendly and is race friendly.
dont have a demo, but could work something out. =)
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revpaul
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Hi Rip,
don't need a demo, have nutt'n to compare with anyhoo. Just going by popular opinion.
What are the damages for a 3.8m complete vs. kite only? You have in stock?
talk with you later, bed time:bird:
thanks,
Paul
PKD-0.7m Buster, 1.4m Buster, 1.8m Century
HQ-Beamer III 3m
PL-Reactor 3.8m, Reactor II 6.9m
Ozone-IGNITION 1.6m, Little Devil 4.5m, 7.3m Frenzy
Pansh-Sprint Ltd Ed 5m, 7m Ace
Flexifoil-Blurr 5m
FS- Pulse2 12m, Speed 1.5 17m, lots of Revs and dual line stunters
Sirocco Sprint 4.2, 5.2 -SIROCCOx 5.2-
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Yes, We have 2 folks flying reactors. I think 4.9 and 8.3 ???? or something like that. I agree that they are a nice combination of stable and fast. I
think I would take one over a Brooza ? Mine is a brooza 1 without bridle adjustment so not the best I have owned.
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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krumly
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Krohn1999 -
Not meaning to hijack the thread, but could you post a pic or two of a Brooza II bridle with the trim adjustment? I fly Brooza I's and have not been
able to find any pics or info that would inform me in making a modificiation.
BTW, I've never flown Reactors or Vampirs, but I have to say I'm quite happpy with the Brooza I's as hi-wind buggy kites in Minnesota's gusty,
turbulent winds. Also fun on skis.
Thanks,
krumly
Flying:
1.5 m Ozone LD Stunt
2.2, 3.2, 4.2 m C-Quads
2, 3, 4, 5.5, 7.5m PKD Broozas
9m PL GII, w/ adjustable rear strap mod
Dual mode mod PL GI 13, HArc 6, FArc 12
Cab 5m Convert, 7&9m Xbow, 12m SB
Lots of stunt kites and a Rev Supersonic
Riding:
Libre Special buggy, PL Comp buggy
Line skiboards, & Lib-Tech Park & Pipes
Cabrinha Prodigy kiteboard
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Krohn1999
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Krumly,
Here is a link to the Brooza II manual
http://wartung.business.co.at/kunden/Paracontrol/images/Broo...
Hope this helps.
If you like the Brooza I you have to try the Brooza II they are even more stable in gusty winds. I'll send you a U2U
GPA G1580
NAPKA US13
Buggy:
APEXX
MG-AERO on Disc Wheels
Kite bag:
Ozone Yakuza GT, Methode, Flow, Imp
Peter Lynn Reactor II, VAPOR, Core
PKD Century II, Brooza II
Wolkensturmer Ventura
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Krohn1999
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Krumly,
Forget to ask if you have the new bridle (colored lines) or the old one (White lines) If you need a new one let me know
GPA G1580
NAPKA US13
Buggy:
APEXX
MG-AERO on Disc Wheels
Kite bag:
Ozone Yakuza GT, Methode, Flow, Imp
Peter Lynn Reactor II, VAPOR, Core
PKD Century II, Brooza II
Wolkensturmer Ventura
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krumly
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Thanks for the link. Looks like they used pics of a Buster II.
For the Brooza AOA/trim adjustment, I'm looking for pics of exactly which bridles get bundled where on the trim link. On many kites, the tips get
bundled to one point, and it's not necessarily just a matter of all B rows go to one knot, all C's to another, etc. I could play around until I get
it set, but I figured a close-up pic of how PKD did it for the Brooza II would save me time.
My Brooza I's have color-coded bridles. BTW, U2U'd you back.
krumly
Flying:
1.5 m Ozone LD Stunt
2.2, 3.2, 4.2 m C-Quads
2, 3, 4, 5.5, 7.5m PKD Broozas
9m PL GII, w/ adjustable rear strap mod
Dual mode mod PL GI 13, HArc 6, FArc 12
Cab 5m Convert, 7&9m Xbow, 12m SB
Lots of stunt kites and a Rev Supersonic
Riding:
Libre Special buggy, PL Comp buggy
Line skiboards, & Lib-Tech Park & Pipes
Cabrinha Prodigy kiteboard
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