more pictures of the S1 buggy are online now.

see: http://les-ailes-burgondes.niceboard.com/le-sysmic-f14/le-sy...

scroll down a few posts.

enjoy

Nice looking buggy.

Couldn't understand a thing they said

sketchy welding techniques, cutuots w/ no radius in corners( top of forks and peg mtng.plts.) very bad these are a crack in waiting. The doubler placed on swan neck joint( means weld was ground off of an already improper weld joint) Not 100% weld penetration at that joint,or ya' wouldn't need the doubler plate. Welds at back axel connection look fused, not welded And that's just what I can see in pics.
I'm gonna make a stainless one next,so I will be able to show you what a stainless weld is supposed to look like!

Its seems more beefed up in certain areas now, it certainly looks a nice buggy, the only thing I wouldn't be happy with is the top and bottom yokes, the cut outs so close to the head stock will make that area very weak....but fair play to them, I hope they sell many buggies

@WG...did we see the finished article of the last buggy you made....I may have missed it

:wee: Guess who sells them in the states?

Does He look a bit like Santa, without a beard :puzzled:

Does he take real Canadian money not that Monoply stuff ...lol

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Originally posted by jellis :wee: Guess who sells them in the states?

i will have them in Canada ... rims will be here shortly.

i'm not for the buggies, with the cost of them you can get something better Xxtreme / Libre / Flexi / Homebuilt / WG / Popeye / BBS ... etc
still cant understand why you need footplates, slippery when wet.

I missed a chance to try an Xxtreme, still riding the Flexi but since its not on the ground a lot thats a good thing.lol
We ride such hard ground it sure takes its toll on the buggies. Couple of the local PL's and Libre are showing stress cracks on welds.
Have destroyed a couple axles myself, specially the extended just couldn't take the pounding. Tried a set of wide tires on the rear and went back to barrows, just couldn't keep them straight a lot of side time if you know what I mean. Broke a couple wheel bolts but no straps on the seat I hear some complain about.
On my third bum bumper, but hey there doing the job of saving my a** but no signs of any stress cracks....yet...(on the buggy I mean)..lol
Sometimes think of running a race buggy but in the fields the nice lite Flexi does the job for me.
P.S: think I need help can't stop doing those damn pendulum swings ( got the bruises to prove it), anyone know of a 12 step program?

Hi all

First, sorry for my bad english...but I'am here today besause a read some odd posts about the S1, and I am obliged to answer...

like this :

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"sketchy welding techniques, cutuots w/ no radius in corners( top of forks and peg mtng.plts.) very bad these are a crack in waiting. The doubler placed on swan neck joint( means weld was ground off of an already improper weld joint) Not 100% weld penetration at that joint,or ya' wouldn't need the doubler plate. Welds at back axel connection look fused, not welded And that's just what I can see in pics.
I'm gonna make a stainless one next,so I will be able to show you what a stainless weld is supposed to look like!"

, you are the best my friend, I wait with impatient your sample for copy your quality and solutions...
I'am sure you will sell it in a near future...! But before, give your buggy to raceman for tests.
I say that because we have 7 "old" buggys which race since 2006 (3 buggys in first 10th French shampionship th2007 and first buggy in European championship 2007 was 15th). And this without problem, but it's a detail...
Do you have similar result with your product ?

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Or like this :
"Its seems more beefed up in certain areas now, it certainly looks a nice buggy, the only thing I wouldn't be happy with is the top and bottom yokes, the cut outs so close to the head stock will make that area very weak....but fair play to them, I hope they sell many buggies"

Fair play :shocked2: ? Where is your fair play ? I never saw it...since 3 months...You bury this project since the beginning. I don't know why, you must have your reasons!

And NO, that's false, sorry : you see the same buggy (but the pictures are best).


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"with the cost of them you can get something better Xxtreme / Libre / Flexi / Homebuilt / WG / Popeye / BBS "

May be, but look at the services / price, not the bad quality announced by 2 people who never saw the material.
Footplates, rear axe with slope, tilt correction, polish ssteel, stakes and supports, aluminium rims, support of fitness weight...do you see all them on other buggy manufacturer at 1500€ ?

I will never say that this buggy is the best (contrary to others), but only one alternative.

nov 22-23 : Fist race with the S1...
will it resist??? I'm very afraid...


See you later on beachs...

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Hi Sardine, if a new buggy comes into the Market place for the masses thats great news as far as I am concerned


When I said "fair play to them", in England thats the same as saying "good luck to them".....is a nice way of saying I hope you do well.

I think you are taking some of the comments too much to heart, when I make a buggy, or when anyone else does too, there are positive coments as well as negative coments.

The ones I love more than anything are the constructive coments, these are the ones I take notice of and learn from, when I mentioned the yokes, I was saying from my experience that that particular area will be weak, if your buggy hits another one on the front end, which in time I am sure it will do, the yokes will buckle and the front end will be pushed in....that is a fact, I am not saying it dosn't look pretty with the cut outs, I am just giving my constructive critique.

Good luck with your buisiness, I hope you sell thousands of buggies and have many happy customers

Hey , sardine... relax dude. Pickin at other welders welds, is one of the things I'm paid to do.If you want to improve the look /quality of weld, give the welder some filler wire so he doesn't just fuse it together. You never do that in a structural application. You fuse stainless when you are tryin to be pretty, not strong!
About the fancy lasercut holes in the forks. It is common building knowledge that you don't make square accesses or inserts . Or any other sharp angled cut in metal that is subjected to stress. As it is a natural start point for a crack. It might not happen in your lifetime,but... what if. If I wasn't the weldngod and I had to buy a buggy, the sysmic would look damn good. But I would want the points drilled at the ends to prevent cracks from forming
All I'm sayin is I'd have a .125 to .250 radius at each point. I would not sacrifice structural integrity to just be ornate.
And about the swan neck , you tell me, why they had to put a SCAB plate over the joint. Are /were there probs w/ buckling Maybe you know somethin' I don't. Glad to hear you do well in the races, but just remember even ugly welds can win races.
Good luck mate. Tight lines WG

Giving global theory and critical and is good, but giving theory and criticals according to the pictures with a part of datas of the buggy AND by saying that will break, that's other...

WELDNGOD
"You fuse stainless when you are tryin to be pretty, not strong".
Fuse ? No, you missed some steps of the produce...don't belive all what you see...

"I would not sacrifice structural integrity to just be ornate"
Beautiful sentence...but prove before that the integrity is touched...by your calculs of structural dynamic for this buggy, I will compare with mine !

"why they had to put a SCAB plate over the joint. Are /were there probs w/ buckling Maybe you know somethin' I don't"
I am surprised that you do not have an opinion...It's only for my pleasure : so the pretty... the pretty and...ever the pretty !

"but just remember even ugly welds can win races."
Sure ? I had understood that ugly welds would break because it's "no strong" ?


I regret that you don't answer to my question : "Do you have similar result with your product ?"

popeyethewelder
the stakes in the supports doesn't make noise...

bye

Mr. Sensitive here seems to be a master of complaining about critical questions and comments without actually addressing them. Can you imagine going through a customer service issue with him? He seems more interested in defending his honor than in making a good buggy. If I was building and selling buggies, I'd be grateful for critical comments from Popeye and Weldngod, not mad that they found issues with my design. The way I am, I would probably enter a dialogue about why I did what I did to see if the critics then understood or find out maybe I made some bad assumptions with my design.

On the other hand, the language barrier might be throwing rocks at this conversation at every turn. Good intentions might be construed as attacks if you misunderstand a word or two. The English language has to be the worst for that.

Yes, you're right !
I agree with you for M.Sensitive, langage barrier, and may be misunderstand :saint:
But master of complaining and honor , it's not me ! :Ange09:

Sensitive mode --> OFF
langage barrier --> ON :dunno:

We can't help you if you are sensitive but we can work through issues with the language barrier. The guys on here can only help you be successful if you will let them. Weldngod knows his stuff with metals, welding and fabrication. Popeye has clearly made the best looking, best designed buggies in the world, so his input is unmatched. He not only can weld, design, and heaven knows he can polish, he has a sense of what works on a buggy that you can't just teach someone. If he has a hunch, it probably will prove itself true. If he says your front yokes will break under pressure, it has nothing to do with his ego. I don't know more than 5% about buggies compared to popeye, but I have to agree that the cutouts in the yoke take all the rigidity out of the component. Make your buggies work well and last a long time first and then if you can make the buggy look good while not compromising function and durability, go for it. Wishing you the best of success!

Ok,

If I need somethink, I will ask.

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Originally posted by Sardine I regret that you don't answer to my question : "Do you have similar result with your product ?" popeyethewelder the stakes in the supports doesn't make noise... bye

Ok Sarnine, the answer to your question,
I don't mass produce buggies, I make them for myself, occasionally I will make one for someone else, but would rather not as it takes up too much of my time.

I dont change bearings I change buggies

I think your question was has my buggy done well in races, and the simple answer to that is no.....not because they are no good, but because I don't race, but that dosn't mean they are not race buggies because they are.

Race buggies are built primarily to hold a racing line, and not twist or warp when fully powered up, in other words they are made as rigid as possible. Most race courses are set mainly up wind or down wind, and with very few or short broad reaches, they are designed to test the pilots skills in these areas, flying over powered most of the time just so they get the most speed out of an up wind stretch, the reason behind this is because it would be too dangerous having 40 odd race pilots travelling over 50mph with open wheels. The swan neck and yoke need to be very sturdy as most of the stress is on this area, 60 by 40mm or bigger swan neck is a must, a strong set of yokes and forks is also crucial, as the front end will twist otherwise and lose forward momentum resulting in losing places in a race.

A good friend of mine (Trikbits) covers virtually all of the top buggiers in the UK and has produced a really good race buggy the Tornado 2, he has responded to a need and filled the gap, (left by Camelion) and Ruudje has covered the European market with the Apexx, as I said, Trikbits has made buggies for almost all of the UKs top racers, I would never even attempt to take potential customers away from him, and I wouldn't want to, I don't want to spend all my free time in my garage, I got into this sport to fly...period

The reason why I don't race myself, is purley geographical, all the racing is done on the oppposite side of the country to where I live

I have made buggies more than capable of winning races, the Cougar, Cougar2, Superbug would win a race no problem with the right pilot.

(even your buggy with the right pilot could win a top race, lets hope he dosn't hit the front end ehh)

The buggy I have now, the Dominator to too heavy to race being around 70kg the new race limit is 60kgs, which my Cougar 2s fall nicley into, the Dominator has been built for speed and holding a good line when powered up, because thats what I do, my quest is to go as fast as I can , and every buggy I build I improve my pb....so I must be doing something right, I try to help anyone out if I can, thats the reason for my little freebie website, not to get work, far from it, and not to take customers away from people such as yourself, it is very simply to put together as some kind of reference for like minded people, so that they can get ideas and help, and if the site has done that in anyway, then I am happy.

The first buggy I made was the 06 Fandango, I was so so proud of this buggy, when it appeared of the Flexi and racekites forum I had coments similar to what you received, some liked it some didn't, some said I should put a swan neck on it, I did, Sand Yeti with his experience in building buggies sugested that I should beef the rear axle plates up more....I did that too, years down the road, after making quite a few different buggies, I feel that I am now in a similar position to where those guys were, if I feel that your yokes are weak and will crumple when you hit something, I will tell you, or would you rather only have positive feed back.

I have been the steel industry for 31 years, its not out of spite or trying to put your product down, thats the last thing I would want to do, ask anyone on here I have the utmost respect for anyone making there own buggy, I am just giving my opinion of a possible area that may cause you some concern or grief in the future....especially in this day and age when the claim forms go in..."if someone to blame there's a claim"


I also really don't care if you take onboard any advice or not....thats your choice, like its every forum members choice if they like your buggy or not......most of the coments on this thread have been favourable to you and your buggy, yes even I said, "it certainly looks a nice buggy"

We are not in competition with you, you are a manufacturer, a few of us are simply people who build our own buggies, with different experience in different fields

I had a recent holiday on the west coast of America, and found the Americans to be the most friendly, polite and laid back people I have ever met, perhaps you and I should take a leaf out of their book....and just chilll man lighten up a bit and stop being rude.

I'm with PTW, I don't race cause I got nobody to race. I build MY OWN BUGGIES cause I'm a kiter ,who is also a weldngod. I'm building one for a local kiter bud. But like Popeye, I'm into flying , not selling buggies. So I won't be stealing your biz'.
And sardine , I know a fused stainless weld when I see it. I also know there are NO GOOD REASONS to use a scab plate. Generally you wouldn't have to double a high stress area if you use the proper materials to begin with. But all in all, it is a sweet ride. But because of what I know ,I would never buy one, I would make my own. Without the little artsy fartsy cutout! lol But I do fancy the seat, looks good. I might get one for my custom bug!