just scanned through this real quick. Its good to see you back after such a long time and still into the kites. From what i saw you asked about the prisms. Everyone told you to get a beamer, hornet, sting, etc. You bought the prism anyhow. Now you sold the prism and bought a beamer like the others told you in the beginning. Now your asking about Pansh and people are telling you to stay away. Don't let history repeat itself is all i want to say :saint:

I use to sell Pansh if you can believe anyone believe me. Spend the extra money and get a good sail. I could list all the reasons why, but that would be a long list. Like Maven said you don't want to go fly and get all frustrated because your sail doesn't fly right.

Ok. Now that all makes sense.

Thanks for the tip. I'm guessing Beamer is a good start for now then.

Beamer is great. get the hang of it and by the time you are ready for your next kite you will most likely know exactly what you want.

History doesn't repeat itself for me. Lesson learned.

Just like understanding the "Why" factor and it has been addressed too.

Good to be back!!

Listen to Dakitez. and everyone else here. We will lead you down the right path...er... a pretty good path anyway.

Chuckle.....I know. I get it! As long as the path doesn't involve trees or buildings mkay?:frog:

Got a 2m and 4m Beamer myself and am very pleased with them. I'm 11 stone and in 20-25mph the little 2m beamer will pull me around all over the place! Getting dragged around in sand is good fun. Grass can be an inconsistent surface so be a little careful of your ankles! Under the 'kite buggying' section of the forum I've just posted a vid called 'the day after labour day' which was done mostly with the 4m beamer. Have a watch and see if you like the idea of kite buggying!!

Not sure what a stone equals? I always throw them at water to skip across it:bouncy:

I'm 220lbs and 6'3". I thought about buggying and all but the only thing keeping me is lack of area to ride them here. Sigh....I should move back to Calif. at least they have nice BIG dry lake beds and deserts!!!

Nice vid and sounds!

I just realized I should ask this too. Since I'm used to flying Revolution 4 liners and all, is it safe to assume I can control this kite in the same fashion?? Meaning thumbs forward to brake?

If not how is this thing going to act differently? I'd imagine being a much larger kite it would be slower?

What about when turning the Beamer 3m will I have to really be concerned about it folding under itself and falling out of the sky or??

I'm getting jazzed about this because I'm taking her out for her maiden voyage tomorrow and Sunday!!!:D

I haven't flown Rev's but I've seen a bit of them in action and I would say no, the Beamer will be a different beast. you'll basically control it the same way as your stylus except you can use the brakes a little to speed up the turns and to reverse launch should you end up nose down. There's a very good video on youtube with someone doing a demo of how effective the brakes can be but you can't fly it backwards as such like I've seen done with Rev's. hmmm, perhaps I should say I can't fly it backwards!! maybe there are those that can! Think of the brakes like flaps on an aeroplane. Pull them both on while you're static flying and it will stall and gracefully descend to the ground - which is exactly what you're kite killers will do when you let go of the handles. Letting go of the handles may not come naturally but it's something you should deliberately practice so it becomes your automatic reaction should things go a little south! Hope you have a blast.

Well, I can already reverse launch with the Rev so I can't imagine it being to difficult to do. However,as you say it IS a whole different beast indeed.

Something else I remember when I first began to fly the Rev. I kept nose diving it and it was all over the place until I got together with other flyers and they pointed out a VERY important thing......longer brake lines!!!! Something I would've NEVER figured out on my own.

I wonder if there is the same learning curve for this thing??? Should I be prepared with new line for building longer brake lines?? If so, what type of line should I use? Since the lines between this and the Rev are considerably higher in strength. Unless it doesn't matter since they are brakes lines?? Doubtful.

Btw, in the excitement of getting prepared I realized I've forgotten my manners!!!!!

THANK YOU FOR THE HELP TO ALL THAT CHIMED IN ON THIS THREAD!!! I'll be sure and pay it forward for the next newbie I'm sure

Don't worry about brake line lengths. The Beamers have four or five knots at the kite where you attach your brake lines and there's plenty of scope for tying extra knots in the leaders on the handle end too. Try attaching your brake lines to the third knot from the end (at the kite). You'll soon see if your brake lines are slack and it will be hard to land the kite using the brakes. It will also be hard to reverse launch if your lines are too slack. I don't think you'll have a problem though - they're pretty good straight out of the bag.

...and you will find yourself moving the brake lines back up closer to the kite (tighter ) in higher winds and looser in lighter winds...

VERY nice!! I love the fact the Beamer comes this way. The Rev was trial and error. Luckily I found flyers in the area.

Good tips!!

3hrs and counting!! Winds are looking like 10-15 so I should be good to go!

Will report back.

Well!!!! Mission accomplished!! Got to play with my new baaaaaby today for the first time. Winds were off and on for most of the day and wasn't even gonna fly her UNTIL, I met a fellow flyer Jeff.

Jeff, thanks for all the tips and the set up help on everything!!! If it wasn't for running into you on the way in AND on the way out I'd probably still be askin' questions rather than flyin":embarrased:

Can't wait to do it again! Definitely a learning curve from the Rev. kites. Had no idea until today.

Well!!!! Mission accomplished!! Got to play with my new baaaaaby today for the first time. Winds were off and on for most of the day and wasn't even gonna fly her UNTIL, I met a fellow flyer Jeff.

Jeff, thanks for all the tips and the set up help on everything!!! If it wasn't for running into you on the way in AND on the way out I'd probably still be askin' questions rather than flyin":embarrased:

Can't wait to do it again! Definitely a learning curve from the Rev. kites. Had no idea until today. :bouncy:

Meet PNW Flyer, and joeblinky at the park today, kind of a wow what are you doing here, gathering.
It is always best to DO, than read about it.
It's always fun to watch a newbie, drive the kite

Had a good time at the park.
Tomorrow looks good for the weather, anybody up for a second round?

I kinda wanna hit Casey tomorrow. But, if know one responds in the other group by 10 tonight to go with I'd be up for round two!!