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Originally posted by piku303 but its at least a corvette.

Are you sure you didn't mean a corvair?

Sorry, couldn't help myself

I like Pansh the way they are. Thanks to them I sell a lot of handles, line sets and kite killers.:roll:

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Originally posted by piku303 the ace and the blade are the only two kites i've flown. of course the blade flies better, and the quality is better...but both kites fly great and do their job well. i flew my friends 6m ace which i would say is comparable to the blade IV. a fixed bridle 6ish meter high lift/pull kite. aside from the slower turning due to crossover steering, the ace 6m felt just as lifty as my blade. i was getting 10 ft jumps in 20mph easily.

I'm curious to your flying conditions. The ace is a good kite if flown in clean winds. If you fly it in gusty lumpy winds you will see its ugly side very quickly. The ace definitely has lift .. no one has ever accused it of not having lift, but to compare it to a blade in overall performance is no laughing matter. The blade IV is so super stable for a higher aspect kite that its unbelievable. Even in gusty conditions you can't shake that kite out of the sky, where with the ace one slightly mis-timed redirect and its a taco.

I'm not trying to bash on Pansh. I just can't be quite when a ace is compared to a blade ... and yes I have flown most all the ace sizes within the last year.

Don't take this personal this is just my experience.

I'll stand behind your opinion Dakitez. I sold my 6m Ace within a few weeks of first flying a Blade IV 6.5. I found the two to be night and day different in refinement and the obvious engineering that went into the Blade IV. Especially when I moved the AAA adjuster to the middle setting from the high lift setting. That prompted me to start the "Blade is king" thread and I bought a blade that was my go to kite till I got in the buggy. I still would like to have one in my quiver just because it is such a superior flying machine. I find it hard to compare the Ace and Blade as similar at all beyond med/high A/R and lifty. To each his own though.

It just comes down to budget. If Pansh kites are all you can afford to get into the sport then you'll probably be happy with them. If you get really into it (who doesn't) AND can afford a to buy pricier kites then Pansh doesn't cut it anymore.

I think everyone would agree that owning a Pansh kite would be far better than staring at the trees blowing wishing you had another couple hundred dollars for a finer kite.

We sort of got off on this tangent when piku stated that they seemed very similar to him. Others feel they are on opposite ends of the spectrum. I bought 2 pansh kites early on because it was lots of ripstop that I could beef up my quiver with. But by the second time I flew the Blade, I was hooked and only flew a pansh 3 times after that, and two of those were associated with selling them or getting ready to sell them. Its' good that there are lots of brands to meet lots of needs.

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Originally posted by acampbell I like Pansh the way they are. Thanks to them I sell a lot of handles, line sets and kite killers.:roll:

THATS A GOOD ONE

i have to chime in here.......ive flown the 6m ace and the blade 6.6 in gusty conditions--and while i must conclude that either could loft you suddenly--my experience has been that the ace was MUCH more unstable and dangerous---i still flew it,but you cant lose your concentration for even a second--when its gusty and choppy-i break out the blade----whoever says these kites fly alike probably hasnt flown them much--they are both lifty yes,but even the lift feels different--they are 2 COMPLETELY different kites,from the quality-to the way they turn and fly--and when i fly the pansh-it feels like my arms are being ripped from their sockets--the 6.6 blade--no--

Just got a 5m Ace in the mail today.

Was gona roll it out in the house but that thing must be huge, I think I got about half of it rolled out then packed it back up. Now trying to resist the urge to go put it up, lots of storms may be rolling in, but I wana go fly it soooo bad.

This brings a question.
Is the flying area (meter size) figured the same way on Pansh as it is on HQ?

The Ace is going to be skinnier because it has a higher aspect ratio :D . Usually it's area of the kite so if it's skinnier it will be considerably longer! yeehaww! Wish you good winds soon... But not sooner than me.

I don't have any problems flying my aces, either the 5 or the 8, in terms of stability. But I've seen a few relative newbies (relative to me, but I'm a newbie compared to all the un-named grand pubahs on this forum) fly them and few of them can complete a jump with the 8 without having it fall out of the sky -- more redirection issues than anything, but they are def not as forgiving wind-window wise as the blade (my one and only, anyways).

funny to hear about being scared of the ace collapsing and refilling, I get a lot more worried about the blade in that condition as it re-inflates way faster, the ace inflates gently in comparision. that's just my experience though, and I've been lucky with pansh. kitedemon for example would give you a very different story.

had to laugh at AWOC's statement...

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Originally posted by Hardrock Just got a 5m Ace in the mail today. Was gona roll it out in the house but that thing must be huge, I think I got about half of it rolled out then packed it back up. Now trying to resist the urge to go put it up, lots of storms may be rolling in, but I wana go fly it soooo bad. This brings a question. Is the flying area (meter size) figured the same way on Pansh as it is on HQ?

5 square meters is always 5 square meters of course.

What changes is the " aspect ratio " or how skinny ( fast ) it is, the "projected area" ( how much air it grabs ) or how curved it is bridled and it's angle of "attack " ( how it sits ) . This effects lift + how far upwind the kite likes to sit. Notice hoe even Pansh have more than one model of 5m kite.

It isn't possible to compare by company. Comparing by model is is better. This is why a 5m kite can be so many different types of engine from beginer fixed bridle to high performance depower.

I hope that makes some sense ?

I am not sure about now but the lines and handles that came with my 5m Ace were NOT something I would use to jump with. They look the job but believe me, they aren't !!!! Use them to get going but buy something you can bet your life on once you start jumping !

Yea, that all makes sense. Thanks.

Just tried it out. The wind only gusted off and on to 3mph. The kite wouldn't even spread out the wind was so low with the Gf holding it up. I could run back, get it to open up about 6' off the ground, let sit down with air in it then take off again and it would head up.

Getting it up took some backwards running but once it was up, it was flying pretty good by stepping back with long hard pulling turns kept it flying and when the 3mph would come through it pulled about three times harder than the 5m beamer would.

I was impressed that it would fly at all even tho I really worked up a sweat keeping it moving.

With hard dives through the window I thought I was gona scud.

The pull was a steady pull while making low slow passes through the window when I'd feel a breeze.

I also put it in the edge of the breeze (window) a few times to fold the tip. I noticed you have to be patient pulling it back out as the tip will catch in the bridal but it would come out with a little help.

So far I'm impressed with the 5m Ace. I can see how it's gona be a handful in any wind at all. I would say it takes more work in very low wind but you feel more power at the same time.

I like it !!! It's gona be a blast in 5 to 10mph which is what we see the most around here.

in regards to comparing an ace to a blade...for dakitez

the wind conditions i fly the ace in are incredibly gusty...the worst being 15 gusting to 25 (dumb) but thats after a lot of practice...

i do feel more confident with the blade even though its just as snatchy as the ACE IMO...

i know my ace well and its only spanked me hard a few times but i was flying in stupid conditions.

the most truth when comparing the ace to the blade is stability. the blade as loads more stability. however, anyone who owns an ace can easily keep it up in the air without issue. honestly i think the instability of the ace has taught me a lot about kite handling and how to prepare to get worked when a gust comes.

the ace can test a kiter. it has way too much power for how unpredictable its steering is. but any learned ace fly gets over it quick.

strength, lift, pull, grunt are comparable IMO only stability and handling the blade pulls ahead