hi bladerunner just answering about the 7m bullet here to keep this post together.

i was hoping that the 7m would be a good day saver but i got it cheap and it came with a bar and a harness which i will ebay in the new year so its a good kite to add to the collection! love to hear your 19m is your day saver,maybe one day il be in same postion.

so far with the buggy i have not had any clean wind,i did go out a few weeks ago locally and was using my bullet 5.5m.i static flew first with buggy close by ready to jump into but yet again terrible wind,one minute its pulling good and hard then in a instant it had lost all power and bullet fell out of the sky!

i really do long for a session with great wind so that any wrongs i do i know is down to me and not the wind dropping.hopefully that time will come as so far i have not had an enjoyable session in buggy yet but am sticking with it.

The 7m will fill a gap and was a good choice if it was a good price. As mentioned I bought a 9m Blade once my skills were up for low wind. It served me well and I will never sell it but .... even it wasn't any good in sub 3mph winds.

Don't be too impressed by the 19m. It is a depower kite and I can actually hold it down when my 10.8m Reactor would be too much if I gained a lot of apparent wind.

Yes, trying to get settled into the buggy is tough at 1st. Even with clean wind. Don't blame yourself if you struggle with it in messy wind. A good way to judge if it is the wind causing trouble is to take note on if you can fly static standing in one place. If that is a struggle then odds are learning to settle into the buggy will be tough. It gets easier!

Once you are confident you can " hot launch " your kite sitting in the buggy and take off that way in sketchy wind. Then keep it low and GO!

your 10.8m reactor looks impressive and being a fixed bridle is it a hand full?

i have wondered about getting a de power to try but i found that when i tried a bar on my hq beamers i did not like it at all,should i ignore that experience and just get a small de power to try? also would de power be harder or easier whilst learning buggy?

sure is tricky getting settled in the buggy and i have made certain changes so far,being tall i have cut and lengthened steering down tube as i kept hitting elbows on my knees then crashing kite! and the last time out at the beach i got kite killer caught around front wheel so i don't use them any more!

hopefully on this christmas break i will get to rest elbow for couple more days then if wind allows get out and have another go in the buggy.

just looked on first page of this thread and funny how this time last year i had only ever flown a single line kite and was asking for advice on 2 and 4 line kites and now i have 5 kites from 2-7m and a buggy....! many thanks to all on here that have helped and taken time to give me tips and pointers.

hey all thinking of going to coast tomorrow to have another buggy go but i think wind is going to be an off shore wind (going out to sea) am i right in saying that off shore wind is not clean wind ?

if its not clean wind am i wasting my time going to try as my buggy experience is very low and clumsy currently!

Off shores are usually not clean but can be a hell of a lot of fun as long as they aren't shutting off on you...I tend to stay closer to my starting spot w/ shorter runs and always have a 2nd kite w/ me because I will push my luck and drop the kite in the ocean at some point...
Any day out only makes you better at what your doing and that's the end game
Have fun, size for the gusts if its an option

i went to coast today and the wind was actually an inshore wind and was very clean.with tide times i managed just over four hours and made loads of progress and can now see the excitement in buggying!

not sure of the correct terms and names yet but i managed to zig zag down the beach although on my turns i kept letting lines go slack so i need to read up more on turns.also managed to park and ride i think you call it whilst steering keeping lines super tight.

i did manage to get back up towards my start point a few times but found that i needed to turn clockwise but the kite was out to my left so i could only turn anti clockwise.hope that makes so sense?

...terms and names do not really matter...seat time does
This proves you miss 100% of the pitches you don't swing at

hey all took my buggy to the coast saturday and had my first "obe!"

managed some good runs along beach in both directions when i had kite over to my left hand side with all going well and good speed when i turned right too much,buggy went from forwards to backs then when i tried to correct it i flipped buggy and out i popped...nothing hurt or damaged so i thought it was funny!

something i am finding is that when trying turns i seam to do it on edge of window and lose line tension because of it,any help on way would be much appreciated.

It's been fun sharing in your progression.

YES, you REALLY NEED to work on keeping tension on the front lines at ALL times! That is all important.

Without a video it is hard to judge but I bet you are starting your turns too early?

Here is a simple run down on how I turn. As you set up for a turn bring the kite up and turn upwind scrubbing off speed. Once the kite is high and speed has slowed I initiate the kite and begin either an up-turn or down turn. I try to time turning the buggy until the kite is about to pull in the new direction. Setting up for the turn when the kite hits that 1/2 second of no pull but NOT turning until the lines are about to tighten again. It's all about timing. If you turn the kite fast you must turn fast to keep up tension. With a long swooping down turn you can make a slower wider turn. If you run too far down wind too fast you will lose tension .

thanks bladerunner and i am glad you have enjoyed sharing in my progression and i am very happy and grateful that yourself and others on here can take time to help me.

i am really starting to enjoy this sport now and reading your turns makes sense so i will try that next time out which will hopefully be next weekend.

many thanks again and i hope you are getting out plenty

Hello! i'm newbie1 Nice to meet you everyone :D

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Hello! i'm newbie1 Nice to meet you everyone :D

Welcome to the Monkey House xuanh231! Always room for a few more good chimps. What brings you here?

hey all only managed to buggy once recently but in really janky winds but hey ho!

recently brought a mbs landboard so il keep that for once i have tidied up my buggy skills.

i really fancy trying a depower and looking at couple of second hand ozones,6&10m access and 10m frenzy,would any of them be a good first depower or could anyone recommend another option i could look out for?

thanks

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hey all only managed to buggy once recently but in really janky winds but hey ho! recently brought a mbs landboard so il keep that for once i have tidied up my buggy skills. i really fancy trying a depower and looking at couple of second hand ozones,6&10m access and 10m frenzy,would any of them be a good first depower or could anyone recommend another option i could look out for? thanks

The Access kites are great first depowers. Particularly V6 and V7 versions as they have a true 5th line safety with what Ozone calls their re-ride system which is outstanding. The Frenzy is an intermediate kite of sorts, sort of half way between Ozone's Access and Summit kites. It has plenty of lift in the right (wrong) circumstances as I unfortunately (barely) lived to find out this past summer. Frenzy's also have Re-Ride in their newer versions. I've read that earlier versions of the Frenzy are not as nice as their newer ones, but I don't have first hand experience with older models.

Another fine sort of entry-level DPs are the single skins. Here we're talking Flysurfer Peaks and Born-Kite LongStar-2s. Any version (1, 2, or 3) will do for the Peaks, but I would steer away from a LongStar-1.

thanks windstruck for your reply,the frenzy 10m is a 2005 and im not sure what year the accesses are,the 6m is two tone blue and the 10m is turquoise and blue both with the white tick strip if that gives you an idea of there year that would be great.

i did some google reading some of which showed up old posts from here and have a secondhand ozone frenzy 10m 05 on route to me now.

i understand its an old depower but i didnt seam to read anything negative about it and i think i got it at a good price.just need to do some reading up on lauching,landing and safety side of it now so that i can try it out once i get it.

would i be right in little reading so far that wind around 10-12 mph would be a good first time try for it? also is then any depower guides that anyone knows of?

I learned to kite ski on a 2005 10m Frenzy. Don't remember much about it other than it being grunty. It is undoubtedly a slow turner compared to today's kites (which I would prefer). It also will be a bit more boxy / lower A/R and not the same profile as today's Frenzy. In 2005 it was considered Ozone's most aggressive and lifty kite. Today the Frenzy is considered one of Ozone's more stable performance kites. It has a top hat safety system which I do recall worked but I also recall times when I couldn't get the kite to relaunch after popping the safety so I had to get creative when staking the kite on ice and walking to it and sorting lines and bridles, etc. I also had a 2006 Access and I recall that still had some power in it when the safety was deployed. I don't recall if that was an issue on the 05 Frenzy but imagine it could be. Start out in winds no more than 10mph so you get familiar with how to launch, relaunch, pop the safety and relaunch the kite again in controllable conditions. Then as your comfort progresses so will your useable windrange. Good luck and be safe.

I think the chicken loop on that has a steel pin that protrudes a bit and can cut the sail if you aren't careful with how you pack it. I could be wrong. I know the 06 Access did. I didn't like that setup.

I also remember that staking the landing strap on the 06 Access didn't always kill it enough to prevent ghost launches or an uncontrolled flapping kites. Pretty sure that could also be the case with the Frenzy.

Apologies for remembering more about the Access than I do about the frenzy. I was generally more underpowered on the Frenzy and overpowered on the Access so I remember the negatives more on the Access.

hi b-roc and thanks for your tips and pointers and no need for apolgies as any information is a bonus as i have no depower knowledge (yet!).

i was looking at an access but the frenzy came up first so i thought i need to start somewhere so lets give it a go.with everything going on at home i wont get to try it for about a week or so which will give me reading and learning time.

thanks again and il keep you posted and probably rake your brains if i get stuck!

hey all just thought id do a little buggy update as i have not in ages.i was struggling with turns and kept loosing line tension.

recently brought a cameleon iquana mk1 buggy second hand and i have just got back from a couple of days down at the coast near me to try it out.

wind was very low at 6-8 mph and going down the beach rather than across but i have managed now to tack back up to my start point and feel very controlled ,really looking forward to next time out as well now.

also got to meet one of the members from this site when i noticed his profile was very close to where i live so big hello to jim and i hope your having fun in wales with family.

The trick that newbies seem to always get wrong in the buggy is the turns. You can't milk turns. You have to commit and turn quickly while the kite is going through the window or else you will lose tension on the lines and stall the kite and possibly run over your lines.

Demoknight is right of course. Turns in a buggy, particularly with low wind (and therefore I assume a large slow moving kite) need to be initiated quite late in the travel back by the kite in the other direction. It will need to seem almost too late, but as the kite passes back behind you (sort of when it goes past you in the other direction) turn the front wheel hard and let the kite pull you through the turn. When the winds are higher (and the kite thus smaller and faster in the air) it is possible to turn earlier and do some quick corrections back and forth with the kite to keep line tension if need be. You simply can't do this with a big lumbering barge in the sky. You'll come to find that different turns work better with different kites and corresponding conditions. Practice, practice, practice.

Glad you are getting some buggy time in!

hi demonknight i sure did have trouble with turns as im sure most do to start with,many times going right under the kite and over the lines as i did the other day which sadly broke a line but its all learning!

hi windstruck i was using a 7m bullet so yes very slow moving but it gave "thinking time" which was very needed ! i am curious how il get on with smaller kite on a stronger wind day so i look forward to a new challenge.

really am enjoying buggy now as i didnt to start with but now its making sense and im not spending most of my time untangling lines it great fun,my new cameleon buggy on big feet is fanastic.

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l624/m00ms/s-l1600%2013....

Great looking seat and backrest set up on that rig. Looks sturdy and comfortable. Good stuff.

Nice looking buggy. Tacking upwind back to home base is a huge step. Congrats! You will get better with the turns. It's all a timing thing as mentioned. Keep practicing. In 6-8 mph, that 7m bullet is begging for downturns though :evil:

thanks for the positive comments on my buggy guys as i am well pleased with it.

thanks 3shot on my tacking back which i surprised myself in doing so super happy,funny you mention downturns as whilst trying kite in different positions with my turns i did do downturns which i can see the benefit of.

going to pop out shortly too look at a non used airfield which is local and i had forgotten about too see if its any use so fingers crossed it is so.

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thanks for the positive comments on my buggy guys as i am well pleased with it. thanks 3shot on my tacking back which i surprised myself in doing so super happy,funny you mention downturns as whilst trying kite in different positions with my turns i did do downturns which i can see the benefit of. going to pop out shortly too look at a non used airfield which is local and i had forgotten about too see if its any use so fingers crossed it is so.

If the airfield works that could be a great playing field. I've often thought it would be cool to go screaming down a runway in my buggy under kite power. Really low rolling resistance so really high potential speeds. Turns would be interesting! I could see going off road into the grass for the turns. Could get dicey, but lots of fun! I'd definitely want to dress in all the "plastic courage" (body armor) I could find.

sadly the airfield has had trouble with people taking motorcycles over there so it has been sectioned off with barriers to stop high speed runs.

the sections are big enough so i thought id use one to try my turns some more but sadly wind was all over the place,gusting,dropping off and changing direction needless to say i didnt do too well!

think i need to stick to clean coastal wind till im a little bit better!

I used to have access to a private airstrip when I lived up north. It was fun, but the wind had to be just right.

https://youtu.be/PpFfdbrDL-c


I forgot what a gusty day that was!

Coastal winds are the way to go, especially for a beginner. Once you become experienced, you will still prefer the clean coastal stuff just because it is so consistent and forgiving, allowing you to remove that variable while you learn new techniques.

hey all!

been doing really well in the buggy lately and have meet up with a fellow buggy rider from here (hello jim!) who is a top guy so really grateful to this forum.we went to camber sands and had about 4 hours on the beach doing long runs up and down the beach and towards the end just going through wet sand patch and right up and into sea slightly.

jim was a little off with camber from previous times but seams to be slight changes on the beach which made him a fan again which is great as its a fairly close location for us both.i had a rather cool OBE which left me with cool bruised hip but even that couldnt wipe smile off my face as for me that was my best buggy day so far.

really really enjoying this sport now and looking forward to next and future times out.