i have no clue how high i go, because im not looking down when im in the air. whatever the Peanut Galley says, i'll believe it.

would high be the same as hangtime?

either way, doesnt matter how high you go as long as you're safe and having fun at it.

surface + speed + wind = HIGH

im still wishing for the day i can Mega Kiteloop at our park, but a few things need to change first, ie (surface, space, people, a parking lot downwind and wearing my skirt).

who gets more high ... kitesurfers or kgbers (kite ground boarders)?

definately, you can go higher on the water as you can hold down a hell of alot more power on the water and can get more pop.

water is supreme high air

speed, edge, pop and most importantly safer!

that's exactly why I have very little interest in spending money on snowkiting or landboarding.

Hangtime is fun but I'm really starting to enjoy the rip you off the water style air. reminds me of that rollercoaster feeling. landing soft is a bit more tricky but after a little practice I've managed to start sticking them pretty good. I found downloops are almost necessary and now that I have those dialed I think kiteloops might not be too far away in the future

Deep powder is a second best to water. Pluss alot of the skills transfer over to water.

oh yeah, kite loop air trans. really put it all together . fills in and keeps all lit

with out loops you're really blunting the flow of the kite and the ride .

you have to select good wind conditions. and it flows perfect to start on the water. i think i started trying with success around 15-20mph closer to 15 .

best pointer ...once you comitt the kite to loop KEEP IT PULLED IN TIL IT COMES RIGHT WHERE YOU WANT IT. land ing are hot , almost straight down wind . the higher you keep the kite in the sky form the start the easier it is to put it all together. and the rig doesnt crash . sending it forward or back to start really makes a huge difference . looping back on trans at the apex seemed easier to land .

best part i practiced them on land after i got it flowing in about 10-12mph really helped with timing and kite behavior actually really makes light air riding fun

IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT A 30FT JUMP LOOKS LIKE, CHECK OUT THE SECOND HALF OF THIS VID. ABOUT 2.39

hahaha nice vid--good jumps

This is why I want an arc! Awesome vid!


How High is High? Hit my first 10+ today! Thats high as the sky for me! Unpacked the T II in 16-18, picked up to 20-22, packed it in and unpacked the Viper when it hit 25. I think I've graduated from a skirt to shorts

Nice video carl. Wish I could have seen all of that 30 footer. What is it like when your up that high?

the initial boost is awesome as i took off like a rocket, then the only thought going through my head was, keep the kite above you!! to loop the 15m in those winds would have been suicide so it was a case of left hand right hand left hand right hand until i started to decend, spot the landing and feel the stoke!!!!

That is AWESOME! That's what I really want to do with landboarding, do some tricks and get big air. I was thinking about getting a used twinskin this winter or maybe next spring. How do you like the synergy's? I need to look around a little, but I haven't figured out whether I'd rather have an LEI or a twinskin.

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Originally posted by power That is AWESOME! That's what I really want to do with landboarding, do some tricks and get big air. I was thinking about getting a used twinskin this winter or maybe next spring. How do you like the synergy's? I need to look around a little, but I haven't figured out whether I'd rather have an LEI or a twinskin.

At some point, we should be able to have you try one of my twinskins. That'll save you buying one on someone else's opinion and then potentially deciding that it isn't right for you.

I have a few LEIs you can check out also.

Just to make sure, an arc is a depower that is not an LEI, right? Anyway, I would love to try out some depowers before I even considered buying one, LEI's and arcs. If we all meet up this weekend, I'd love to try some of those out, but I've never even flown a bar or a depower before.

There are three main different types of depowers. LEI, Twinskin, and foil.

So Arcs are just twinskins?

Twinskins are often called arcs, yes. I don't know if there is anything else that can be called an arc.

Arcs are a bit tricky on launching and landing but once you have it down it isn't such a big deal. Don't be discouraged by that , if you get a try.

If you aren't going to hit the water, open cell depower foils are also a great option that is available. Probably the most popular in that catagory is the Ozone Frenzy.

LEI's work well on land but if you are still in the learning stages and not going out on the water it may not be the best choice. Only because they don't take to being crashed on land as well as the non-bladder kites.

Arcs, SLE, LEI and C kites are all depower.

By non bladder do you mean fixed bridle open cell depower, or does an arc count? I'm looking for something that I would be able to use on water as well as land. I don't know why the twinskins and LEIs seem like such a better kite than a open cell depower, but I don't know enough about depowers to be sure. Also, what about the apex and the montana?

non bladder means no pressurized bladder to pump up.


twinskin has closed cells that you inflate with the wind.



lei has a inflatebale leading edge and struts that you have to pump up with a pump.



fixed bridle is NOT depower, your PL twister in an example of a fixed bridle open cell.
I hope that is understandable I'm kinda zonkered.

Power, when you get a chance to fly with some of us, we can show you the differences between the different types of depower kites and let you try them out. It'll be much more efficient than worrying knowledge from the forum one small piece at a time :D. Hopefully we can do that on Sunday.

A fixed bridle is anything that is not depower. Most fixed bridles are open cell foil, although stunt kites fall under the fixed bridle heading too. Foil depowers (both open and closed cell) are not fixed bridle, but they do have more complicated bridles than LEI or twinskins.

any one fly open cell fixed bridles in 25 plus??? if so you are insane :D

I have. But only very small ones.

25 PLUS????

Hell, even my viper 2.6 about ripped my arms off the one time I tried it then!

lol, i get scared with my 4.5 ace in 15mph on handles, i have attempted with the 6m but it was brutal.

I've used a 1m, a 1.5m, and a 2m in ~25mph. Got some seriously nice scuds off of them too. I buggied with the 1.5m.

My best friend used his 5 meter ace in 27mph winds gusting in the 30s. Of course I told him he was going to die but he didn't listen. He did a pendulum jump that was above a shorter billboard that was next to our field. My guess is he was 20-25 feet or so. I'll post a link to the picture when I get home

wow--youre friend is L U C K Y