Would be really strange, since the did a complete overhaul of the Manta for 2010 (M2 to the M3) but only did minor revisions to the Frenzy between the 2009 and 2010 models (both FYX).

I briefly had a 7m 2010 Frenzy and don't remember the orbit pulleys. I'd expect to remember since the orbit pulleys look slightly odd to me...

Middle of the product year change due to an issue?

great project! love DIY. west marine is gadget heaven!

the orbit pulleys are spot on .

fun set up!

Those orbit pulleys are sick. What kite and wind where you in there?

These were the almost full plastic bridal pulleys I was referring to:

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Originally posted by Maven454 I briefly had a 7m 2010 Frenzy and don't remember the orbit pulleys. I'd expect to remember since the orbit pulleys look slightly odd to me... Middle of the product year change due to an issue?

Wouldn't think it was a mid-year change as I expect any issues with anything in the Ozone depower line would have raised a bit more of a spike on the Richter scale.

Will drop Ozone a line tonight and see if they can clear things up a bit.

Maybe the vanilla Ronstans were used just on your Ozones.... you know how there is a conspiracy against you.... they did their best to keep you from finding out about the custom colors.
:P :wee:

ATB,
Sam

I wouldn't expect a mid year change either. Though since they have their own factory, that'd be easy enough for them to do.

The guy does say that Ozone has started fitting the orbit pulleys and he said that in April. I got my kites in mid January.

And someone else posted that he didn't have the orbits on his 2010 Access.

Curiouser and curiouser.... incentive to drop them a email just redlined. If a early/mid-year change, really surprised there were no offers/documentation to retrofit (as the Megatron retrofit is fairly well documented on the Ozone site).

P.S. Sorry if this qualifies as a thread veer. From a geek perspective, it was interesting to me what Jovver used for pulleys as well as what Ozone used.... both at the bar and at the bridle.

ATB,
Sam

No prob on the thread veer, I'm interested to know this stuff as well. So do you think I made the right choice for the pulleys at the bar end?

Wolf, if you do contact Ozone about it, let me know what they say, will you?

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Originally posted by Jovver No prob on the thread veer, I'm interested to know this stuff as well. So do you think I made the right choice for the pulleys at the bar end?

From my limited, bespectacled, propellor-beanie perspective.... I think the Ronstan 20s are a great choice. You could probably get by with lower spec, but sometimes geeky bling is good for the soul. The 20s are good bang for the buck, not overly weighty, and the bearings will spin-up if you even sneeze in their direction. The last time I was at West Marine, I picked some up for some mad scientist rainy day ruminations. :o

My two cents would be

ATB,
Sam

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Originally posted by Maven454 Wolf, if you do contact Ozone about it, let me know what they say, will you?

You bet....

ATB,
Sam

Kami, the back line adjusters on the Ozone Turbo bar have 4 inches of adjustment.
Jovver, the Ozone Turbo bar uses regular Ronstan 20 pulleys.
Wolf, I'm usually pretty good about details, but I figured that I'd check, my Manta M3's do have regular Ronstan 20 pulleys as I remembered.

Kami, here's the quick drawing with some dimensions that I promised. (Right click, view image, and zoom to see full size)

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Note that the drawing dimensions shown represent when the pulleys are all in line with each other. Also, I felt the brake strap needed to be a little closer, so I moved it to a new location. The dimensions referencing the brake strap are for said new location.

"drawing not to scale"

such an engineer.....hah!

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"drawing not to scale" such an engineer.....hah!

LOL. :P You mean the center lines on the pulleys, hidden lines in the aluminum insert, and dimension leader lines didn't give it away? If you're going to make a drawing, might as well do it right and let everyone know what's up! Honestly, I enjoyed making that drawing, I didn't feel it warranted the use of CAD, otherwise I would have!

Been busy while I been asleep, huh? Cheers Jovver & Mav!

Going to do a replica with trimmers on the rear lines ... for a start, anyway. May end up with a center line trimmer but we'll see ...
Trying to figure out a safety release for the center/power lines ...

Being a bit of a dick, I've measured up the pictures of the Ozone bar off their site and tried to convert them to scale ... are the "rear" lines on the outside REALLY so much long than the power lines in the middle, or does it change shape when you attach a kite ... hard to tell from the YouTube ...

Kami, take a spare leash (if you have one) with the push away tube releasing the pin inside. It's the same thing as a tophat safety. You could also buy a small piece of PVC tube, paint it red and make it yourself.

No spare leashes I've got some of those red balls though and there's plenty of tubing at the hardware store. I have like 6 Wipika leashes, but they use an O.S. handle with a big square headed pin ... pretty sure it'd work just as well ...

Picked up a Mystic leash for US$25 with a nice top-hat and pin release Learned a new way to lock in splicing too ... ready to get building!

... anyone know how to wash the foam on the bar so it looks nice and new?

The easiest way to solve that problem is to buy a new bar. But seriously, I don't think there is anyway to make a bar look newer than it is. Once that material is stained, discolored or marked, there is no changing it.

Mmm ... the blood didn't wash off my Kitewing either - it looks real hard core now

Oh ain't that typical ...

Seems the Ozone is related to the PKD Twister bar ... should have done a thorough search here first The PKD version is more like yours, Jovver and looks much easier to replicate.

Although I'm still bothered by the "backwards" nature of the trim strap ...

Yeah, that does look really similar to mine! (But I still like mine better :P ) Actually, I may add a brake line through the center for when the release is pulled. What is so confusing about the backwards nature of the trim strap?

Actually, nothing is confusing about your version I guess dunno what my head was thinking ...!

Do they need to be pulled in the whole time to get them to work? I notice the guy in the video didn't really "depower" at all ... I assume that the bar is setup to be flying perfectly with the bar fully in? I was hoping for a bit of space to 'pump' the brakes for a speed boost ...

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Do they need to be pulled in the whole time to get them to work? I notice the guy in the video didn't really "depower" at all ... I assume that the bar is setup to be flying perfectly with the bar fully in? I was hoping for a bit of space to 'pump' the brakes for a speed boost ...

As long as you have enough throw in the centerline, you can do pretty much whatever you want! To fly unhooked you may have to trim all the way in. I like keeping my trim all the way out so the brake lines are taught when the bar is in the middle of the centerline. I find that's a comfortable arms length for me. I can then "pump" the brakes as you said, and if I pull the bar all the way in I can stall and bring the kite down safely, or bring it back towards the middle of the window while buggying. It's all personal preference, and you will find out what you like best when you test out the rig for the first time.

Mmm ... now I'm oscillating wildly between an Ozone clone and a PKD clone ...! neither of which would be easier than the other but I spent $30 on a Best leash to get a top hat safety

Why not make both? I think it'll be easy enough to switch between the two - I got enough parts.

Here's the first one that I've finished - the Ozone clone.



Naish bar, Airush CL, Wipika depower line and trim straps on the brake lines, Harken 900kg pulleys, Mystic handle-pass leash safety & recycled the cover for the landing handle ... I had fun splicing lines left, right and center :D

Nice Kami! I think what you are going to find is that you are going to have to lengthen the brake line leaders. In flight, the point of attachment of the brake lines is closer to the bar than the power line attachments. If you let that bar out, your brake lines are only going to get longer and they are already much farther away from the power line attachment. Try knotting those white leaders at the very end.

Cheers!
It's to scale as near as I could figure from the original - 54cm they advertised the bar as so I printed the picture, copied it to 1:5 scale and then made the measurements I think overall it's about 50mm longer from the pulleys to the bar ... we'll see - I left the length in the trim strap leaders so I could meddle ...

Oh wait you're talking about the leader between trim strap and pulley?