let me know your email Houston and I will send high res pics via email

yeah i just got a headache lookin at that tangle.

***let me think about it a little and i will get back to you. thanks

got all the tangles out, might keep it and give it go myself

almost sorted, cant figure out where the tip brake and the wac line attach and the drawings on FS website...uhm they dont help. So I got green line on the the right attache to the kite and bar and a red on the left. A thcik black on runs up the middle, so where do I connect the full brake/tip brak and the wac line?

good to hear you came to your senses, KEEP THAT KITE! LOL

still cant figure out where to conect the wac and the tip brake, does it need all of that?

not too sure, i would make a new post if i were you called...

"help with WAC line"

awesome! That is great, the lines didn't seem too badly tangled from the pics. Glad you worked out the bridle tangle.

strange things are afoot. The WAC line should have not been removed, unless you removed it and can't recall how to put it together. Also, it looks as if only your green and red flying lines are wrapped around your bar. Normally, when all the lines are wrapped around the bar, they are usually much thicker than that, and also, I simply can't see front flying lines on the bar. I see the red and green back flying lines, but not the front ones.


Regarding the WAC line, can't be of much service besides these 2 videos. I haven't adjusted mine at all. The line diagram of the psycho2 looks quite different though, hopefully you can figure it out from the video.

this video has a picture of a WAC line, and the guy removes it at the start of the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1IcYQyVVA

this is more theoretical, but the WAC line is in some demos of the mixer in this video
http://www.vimeo.com/9122428

and that black line/lines??? They are mighty thick, you're right.

Is that a pair of lines wrapped up, or just a single line?
If 2, part of me wonders if it is the front flying lines of the kite?
But, they are so thick!

If it's only one line, I wonder if it is a DIY 5th safety line, but that would be crazy thick for a safety line too.
Can you ask the guy who sold you the kite?

The manual for the Psycho2 is here -> link
The Psycho 2 uses a 3 line system like the Extacy. They switched back to a 4 line system in later versions.

Yep I took it off now i cant figure how to put it on...all the other lines are sorted. Hoping all these FS people on here could help but nothing as yet.

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Originally posted by kitedelight awesome! That is great, the lines didn't seem too badly tangled from the pics. Glad you worked out the bridle tangle. strange things are afoot. The WAC line should have not been removed, unless you removed it and can't recall how to put it together. Also, it looks as if only your green and red flying lines are wrapped around your bar. Normally, when all the lines are wrapped around the bar, they are usually much thicker than that, and also, I simply can't see front flying lines on the bar. I see the red and green back flying lines, but not the front ones. Regarding the WAC line, can't be of much service besides these 2 videos. I haven't adjusted mine at all. The line diagram of the psycho2 looks quite different though, hopefully you can figure it out from the video. this video has a picture of a WAC line, and the guy removes it at the start of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1IcYQyVVA this is more theoretical, but the WAC line is in some demos of the mixer in this video http://www.vimeo.com/9122428 and that black line/lines??? They are mighty thick, you're right. Is that a pair of lines wrapped up, or just a single line? If 2, part of me wonders if it is the front flying lines of the kite? But, they are so thick! If it's only one line, I wonder if it is a DIY 5th safety line, but that would be crazy thick for a safety line too. Can you ask the guy who sold you the kite?

I have sent Flysurfer an email. Let's see how good the support is

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Originally posted by kiteboyza I have sent Flysurfer an email. Let's see how good the support is

My limited dealings with FS support were thru Powerzone, and I can say he is fantastic. I really hope that FS Canada has such an equally motivated person on staff there as well.

I have looked at it again and can see how it works, the plans on FS hurt my brain. I think the best place for it is under the stairs or my mate in the UK that makes bean bags out of old kites. Powerzone is far away and will take weeks, i wanna fly the dam thing soon. Willing to post as far as Calgarry or meet in Edmonton if anybody knows how to fix this. FS Canada don't even have a webpage, not much hope there. So dies another Flysurfer......:yawn:

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Originally posted by kiteboyza FS Canada don't even have a webpage, not much hope there. So dies another Flysurfer......:yawn:

Wow, the source page on FS canada implies that it has been online and empty since 2006.

That's certainly not 'coming soon'.

Welp, I'm guessing the trade offer is back on the table?:roll:

It sounds like you're almost there. I'd say wait a couple days and use the time to try getting in touch w powerzone, via PM and his website. Also why not post on Foilzone?

Be best to finish fixing the kite eh? See if it has anything to teach you before passing it on.

yeah, I know you don't want the freestyle aspect of the kite.... That must have been a disappointment, I know I woulda been pissed to be sold a speed 2 and then find out it's a psycho2.

Just to share....I sent my badly torn 10m synergy to powerzone, it took a week to get to him a day for him to fix it (his service really is quick) and I was out flying it a week after that. All that it cost me was $40 shipping each way and $60 for the repairs. Not sure what you put into the kite already, but would it really offset the total investment to have it put back together so you can fly it???? I'm not sure what a psycho 2 is worth though, and might be way out in left field here. If so forgive me.

It's taught me never to buy a Flysurfer.....lol.....I think a nice big 10m bean bag is the way forward for it. I have gotten as far as I can and ready to take knife and re model the bridle

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Originally posted by furbowski It sounds like you're almost there. I'd say wait a couple days and use the time to try getting in touch w powerzone, via PM and his website. Also why not post on Foilzone? Be best to finish fixing the kite eh? See if it has anything to teach you before passing it on. yeah, I know you don't want the freestyle aspect of the kite.... That must have been a disappointment, I know I woulda been pissed to be sold a speed 2 and then find out it's a psycho2.

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Originally posted by kiteboyza It's taught me never to buy a Flysurfer.....lol.....

best stick to pansh eh?

btw, I remember you from my days lurking on the old racekites in 2007, loved the jiggly avatar you sported back there (if i recall correctly)

If you just want it off your hands, I'll pay postage and have a go!

I've been chatting to Flysurfer from the .com site - good support and feedback. Go international

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Originally posted by Kamikuza I've been chatting to Flysurfer from the .com site - good support and feedback. Go international

sent them mail this morning :singing:

^^^^ what kiwi kami sez...

have a few beers and and a wee chill, sleep on it, think about it again tomorrow, you've had a hella frustrating day of ups and downs by the sound of it!

edit: ah, missed that one....

Usually takes a day or two for a reply ... I've been bugging them about new lines and bits'n'pieces ...

I am just going off what I have seen with my speeds. The WAC line looks like it basicly should have its own bridle that attaches A1, B1, & C1. That is how I recall mine attaches. What happens is when you go to safety the kite folds in half at that point. Using a, b, and c distributes the load across the whole kite.

I understand the frustration of the bridles.

The interesting thing is a number of us would take this off your hands for sure, problems and all. I understand you are enormously frustrated but please don't turn it into a bean bag or hack the lines. Someone will help you out or take it off your hands for a reasonable price.

@Kami, I get all my lines and bits'n'pieces from powerzone.

been bag will be cool in my lounge....lol....Kiteboyza 1 Kite zero
I have plenty more kites in the shed to see me through

Macboy reckons he will sort it and change my views on de-power...give me 4 lines and handles and a 10m fixed bridle any day:wee:

My last de-power got the knife treatment and is now my go to kite on light wind days

don't put it under the knife! I'm sure someone would take it off your hands. Plus, sounds like you're almost there - go a bit more and take it for a spin once it is up and running. It would be a shame to get so far and not finish.

if you don't hear from flysurfer soon, there are probably a few guys on foilzone.com that have ridden psycho2 and could help you out. Foilzone is pretty much a flysurfer user forum.

wow, so i'm just now reading this thread and have to say thank you all for the kind words. Its nice to hear the hard work and attention to detail is making a difference. again i really appreciate it.

So let me get this straight.... kiteboyza bought a kite he believed to be a speed2 but its really a psycho2.... definately some mis-communication there... 2 totally different kites.... several years apart in technology too. its too bad its not a speed2 10m.. i'd probably buy it off ya.

then there was a tangle , so all the lines/bridles were removed? or just the flying lines and bar? if all the bridles were removed, then this is now a large undertaking, roughly 3 hrs.. hopefully all the pieces are there and you have enough LCL and ELC pieces to link it all together.

This has happened before, someone sends a kite in 1 box and all the lines in another box as a huge knotted mess. my advice is use the correct lineplan ( the psycho2 10m plan as posted earlier ) and take your time to go thru one side at a time. you can just measure the risers (red and green) as a short cut, to get it sorted out what goes where, then connect the white bridles accordingly. the rest of the mixer and WAC system goes together pretty easily after the bulk is connected.

If you change your mind and send it to me, I would be happy to fix the kite and i'll throw in a free test flight and tune up since you seem very frustrated.

No bridles were taken off, only flying lines. I have 90% of it back now, two steering lines and the center line. I am left with two lines running from the kite marked WAC and one marked TIP BRAKE/FULL BRAKE. They have two pulleys. These two lines have me stumped as i have no clue where to connect them and nobody has managed to help as yet. They have 4 knots so they must be attached to a larks head some where on either the steering lines or the center line.

Frustrated, I'm one step away from turning it into a nice Flysurfer 10m bean bag

the WAC line connects to the junction of A2 risers (white), and the A3 riser (gray) . the pulley connects to Cmain which is also gray but connects to the mid section of the kite C bridles. the other end of the WAC line conects to the other pulley along with 'brint1'

the loop end of the wac line connects to the A2 risers, the knotted end connects to the brakes

Bladerunner, do you still have a Psycho2 10m? could you take a picture for this fellow?

I only have the speed 17

It's in the post to Macboy