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Originally posted by Drewculous We dont belong to an exclusive club of better people.... Show this guy our sport... And if he slams you, that sucks, but if it gets one person involved in kiting, its worth it....

Is it??? If this show were to have another negative view of Kiting and then the Parks/BLM sees it, Do you think it helps or hurts when one applies for a permit??? Is it worth it, for ONE person to try the sport???

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The people that really want to fly, wont be bothered some bad publicity... Theyll seek out positive kiters, and people who know the sport inside and out, not news reporters...

It's not potential new kiters, it's those that issue permits and make the rules. Ask Morrie if the tape of Fritz flying full speed into the ocean, getting ejected, in addition to radical tricks HELPED or HURT the effort to open Washington Beaches? That wasn't even broadcast yet somehow the Washington Parks Dept got hold of it.

Thanks guys! Pyro, I asked about NABX timeframe and the deal is he is adding this project in while he is already here in Vegas with his crew for a Rodeo competition for another episode of the show. I think with enough early warning for dates, lots of locals and not quite local will come to add to the shoot with more activity.

Mougl, all very good comments you have added.

You are 100% right about each of us taking on some responsibility in teaching others safe kiting practices. Walking up to someone at an event or local flying field that is having a problem or getting ready to do something that looks to be very unsafe should be first nature.

The idea of suggesting a forum like PKF to those who want to learn is another great idea. There has been a large increase in new members to this forum looking for insight into kiting and which kite to buy.

Education as well as Safety is key to positive promotion of this sport.

Bison, to me... Yes its worth it

Kiting has affected me in so many positive ways, it seems almost criminal to hide it away, only for a select few to enjoy. The beauty of this sport, is how it makes you feel... And no matter what, im going to fly... Kick me outta my soccer field cuz some newbie got hurt... Im going to scour the area till I find a like minded person to share my joy with, and fly with.

Its a lot like skateboarding...back in the day, they got kicked out of every park and off every street, out of every empty lot... But thank god people like tony hawk, people like bobby, people like rip, dino, angus, and all the vendors here push their love out there in the best ways possible... You push and push, and gain members, and more and more people feel the way we do... And eventually kiting is accepted... Heck, my little dinky conservative town here in nebraska has a skate park... I would do whatever I could to get a kite park here... And you should too!

Im really sorry you feel the need to protect kiting by locking it away, but I honestly believe the more people that can experience kiting the more exposure we get, the better we all become as a sport...

Right now we are new and scary, and its trendy to show off our negatives... But the more people can see our sport, the more they will ask their own questions and eventually the bigger and better we become... I want to see xgame kiting. I want to see olympic kiting. I want to see brick and mortar kite shops everywhere. I want to see 10 kites in the air over my field everytime I drive by..... I want someone in nebraska to know what a freaking traction kite is!!!

The only way to grow our sport is to promote it... And what better way than having a childhood friend shoot a tv spot for us?!?! On a national network!!! That is epic right there!


Kiting has become one of the most important things in my life... And I for one will do my best to show every single person how great it can be... You dont have to do the same, but please dont discourage others from sharing their passions with others...

Sorry for the rant and veer... But growing our sport is important, and thats what Bobby is doing and I applaud him for it. despite the remote chance of failure/backlash, he is trying........ If you aint crashing, you aint trying! (words to live by right there!)

Good winds to you all

Thanks again bobby

Ask yourself this

Is there any benefit towards the kiting world in doing this?
sadly the answer is no

I have seen this happen in the UK and every idiot with cash runs out and buys kites, you know what happens next and then some bans

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Originally posted by kiteboyza Ask yourself this Is there any benefit towards the kiting world in doing this? sadly the answer is no

Who introduced you to kiting?

I wonder how your life would be different if they "didnt see any benefit in showing you kiting"

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Im sorry to lash out, but this (for clarifications sake by "this" I mean this thread) has been bugging me the last couple of days and that quote (kiteboyza's remark) really bothered me... kiting as a whole benefits from positive "bobby-esq" exposure

Drew, I applaud and share your passion for this sport and educate as many children and adults alike what this sport is about. I am always welcome in any of our local schools, family days, Heck I even have the open arms of the local Aerospace education center to come to as many events they have we would like to attend. Positive outcome from positive people.

I hope that most who have met me, have some idea that I'm not really the "loose cannon" type. I feel like I do a pretty good job of keeping things in perspective and seeing how things look from another's eyes. I'm also a critical thinker and would measure every word spoken that it would come across in a positive light for our sport.

As far as growing the sport, IMHO its a good thing. It might not reduce prices of our equipment but I promise that profit dollars will be chased by research and development dollars. Companies will be increasingly eager to improve their products if the pie they want a slice of is getting bigger while they are trying in increase the size of their slice. I'm growing the sport just in my family alone by grooming 2 sons that are passionate about the sport and while it's hard to compete with an Xbox and a long list of friends they chat with and play games with on there, they never hesitate to spend a day with me when I'm headed to buggy. I share that stoke with anyone that indicates they are interested. My posting and sharing of kite related information on facebook is what prompted this opportunity to get off the ground. Anyone that carries a buggy exposed on their vehicle knows what happens when you pull into the gas station. I can't imagine telling those guys "sorry I can't talk about it, you might like it and want to do it too".

you should use the "beaver bob" moniker though..... might endear us to environmental groups like save the snowy plover LOL......

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Originally posted by wheresthewind? you should use the "beaver bob" moniker though..... might endear us to environmental groups like save the snowy plover LOL......

Now THAT'S funny!!!

By the way Bob, if all goes well with the coverage (and I'm confident it will) there could be a part 2 at JIBE 2013...I'm cookin up something for that event ;-)

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Originally posted by Drewculous Quote: Originally posted by kiteboyza Ask yourself this Is there any benefit towards the kiting world in doing this? sadly the answer is no Who introduced you to kiting? I wonder how your life would be different if they "didnt see any benefit in showing you kiting" Edit: Im sorry to lash out, but this has been bugging me the last couple of days and that quote really bothered me... kiting as a whole benefits from positive "bobby-esq" exposure

I just posted it, how can it bug you for a few days? I taught myself to kite, long before kite schools and 4 line kites were invented.

Secondly, I am referring to the news article which Bob plans on doing, yes you might benefit as a kite dealer. And yes I have met Bob, he is a standup guy and would be a good ambassodor for the sport.

Thirdly, I have been in this game way longer than you think and lived through many bans caused by bad PR in kiting in the UK. If in doubt google "Lytham St Annes sandyacht fatal accident" and then go do some research how many beaches were shut down by councils. Then have a look at how long it took us to change minds of these people who shut it down. The press are a dangerous bunch, I agree with Bison.

No lashing out needed, maybe just some expierence in these matters :singing:
Oh and something else many of these kiteshops soon figured out was the saying...If there is nowhere to fly, nobody is gonna buy.

This is not a rant, merely my opinion based on some hard facts and evidence!

last words, maybe you should get this Fox guy to come and attend NABX?

Boyza this is a rant but understand I have a lot of respect for you and how long you have been involved in our sport.

Bryan is not a "Fox guy". He is a friend that has his own video production company that has 13 episodes on Fox "SPORTS". I capitalize because the dissenters seem to think everything that starts with "Fox" ends with "News". I've also mentioned at least twice that one of my first suggestions to Bryan about the best way to do this was for him to capture NABX. It seems to escape some that he has a prior obligation with the Easter Bunny that week. Yes, I've lost a bit of my patience repeating myself and being misquoted. Breathing deep for a bit. :embarrased:

I'll give some serious thought to the "Beaver Bob" idea :P

I have been to Bobby's house in Vegas..... and as soon as I got my GoPro out he started talking about taking his shirt off...... yup.... not the loose canon type..... just adapting to his surroundings.....

I can't imagine what BB would do with a full production crew around him.......

I will be glued to my TV set for this first episode..... sounds awesome.... I can't wait!!!!

This is awesome Bobby.......

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Originally posted by g00fba11 I have been to Bobby's house in Vegas..... and as soon as I got my GoPro out he started talking about taking his shirt off...... yup.... not the loose canon type..... just adapting to his surroundings..... I can't imagine what BB would do with a full production crew around him....... I will be glued to my TV set for this first episode..... sounds awesome.... I can't wait!!!! This is awesome Bobby.......

Who invited this guy?!

Good rant Bob, I wish you the best with your venture :D

Wow this is a great discusion . Nice to see everybody showing respect !

I know that seeing Corey Rosler ( sp ) and his kiteski on T.V. was the seed that set my passion.

It is shocking how few people I talk to have a CLUE about what a kitebuggy is or what we do.

I don't know if we need to grow the sport but I do think that if it was on T.V. many would see it for the 1st time and ?????

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Originally posted by Bladerunner I know that seeing Corey Rosler ( sp ) and his kiteski on T.V. was the seed that set my passion. It is shocking how few people I talk to have a CLUE about what a kitebuggy is or what we do. I don't know if we need to grow the sport but I do think that if it was on T.V. many would see it for the 1st time and ?????

Blade I think this is the part that excites me most. Not so much to bring people in (but that might happen if we do it right) but so more people "get it" when we say we fly kites. I would hope to move past the image they have of a diamond shape SL kite with a ribbon tail. You can capture much of what goes on with a go pro, but what is it going to look like with 20 of them rolling?

I must admit my first thought was, how exciting, and who better to be in control of proceedings than Bob, I am sure Bob would have looked at every angle....thats his nature as he mentioned above.

Then when Kiteboyza remined me of what can happen, even with great possitive exposure, it can, and infact did have a huge negative impact on the UK buggy scene, he really does know what he is talking about, and is worth a re read of what he said.

Of course we all want to promote our sport, who knows, in years to come you might see kite buggy racing in the olympics, but it only takes a few people with a bit of cash to buy some gear, think they know it all and have or cause a huge accident....then like Boyza said bans will follow.

I can see the fors and I can see the againsts on this......I would be happy and excited to see the exposure, but would not be too bothered if it didnt happen either.....so if there ever was someone sitting on the fence here....its me.

Access is the most important issue and the common denominator of what the pro and con parties-and those mixed- have made as the essence of this thread.

But originally this thread started as a fun exciting announcement. It was simply an emotional one that is about the excitement of seeing the sport on TV in a national forum. It is one of pride, fun and sharing outside of the current members.

We can -and already do - make and see our own films(and good ones w/latest technology) or write some great Blogs within these forums which -as enthusiasts of the sport-enjoy more than any non-flyer would. And we have control over over our own content.

Some think that exposure outside our community to a more general public( typically viewers of such a program would often be other 'adventurers'- but you'll get a little of everyone) may increase access...improve safety....etc.

But then FEAR(all right...call it concern) comes in -as others think it may deny access...especially if any negative aspects come to public light. Recent posts state this happened in the UK.

Then can we ask more directly, what is the best way to KEEP access that exists and OPEN NEW ACCESS? ]

That may involve reaching out and exposing our sport more to the non-kiting public....or at least, to those that would set the regulations of land and water use.

Sure you can use an area where no regulations against it exists. You don't have to reach out to anyone. But if they ban kiters suddenly from that area....you may need to reach out to get it back. Or if an area bans all sports or all vehicles...reaching out may open it up to this specific activity
Those you need to reach are town officials but also the general public who will get in touch with those officials-either negatively(complain) or positively to effect policy.


A beach community with an off season may indeed give access and promote a Power Kiting festival if it fills some hotels, brings in tourist money, and creates a buzz and something to promote on their 'Visit our city brochure'

Sound like Wildwood?!

But really we are talking more of regular year round access where it doesn't impede or compete with limited space.


This is an important discussion...but really we hijacked a fun announcement of a kite buggy show on fox..

Bob, did you have any Idea when you posted this of such a large and serious response? You've already helped bring an important positive discussion to the table!



.........Annnddddd Cut! :smug::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

Skimt I figured this thread would have 5 or 6 replies like "cool, let us know when its on" and "who is going to be in it?" Here we are with 49 replies and almost 1200 views, so this is larger than I imagined. Very valid points on both sides of the fence followed. I'm on the side of "do things to make it better" so I lean towards going for it to maybe remove some of the fear and ignorance of our sport that does cause bans. I dealt with that at Fort Clinch State Park in Florida. There is a lengthy thread on here about it, but basically he denied us access to buggy on park beaches in part because of a lack of information. He found an Australian web site speaking of "70 mph and no brakes" and also found mention of required insurance and he was done.

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Originally posted by BeamerBob Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner I know that seeing Corey Rosler ( sp ) and his kiteski on T.V. was the seed that set my passion. It is shocking how few people I talk to have a CLUE about what a kitebuggy is or what we do. I don't know if we need to grow the sport but I do think that if it was on T.V. many would see it for the 1st time and ????? how dare u disrespect the diamond kite!! Blade I think this is the part that excites me most. Not so much to bring people in (but that might happen if we do it right) but so more people "get it" when we say we fly kites. I would hope to move past the image they have of a diamond shape SL kite with a ribbon tail. You can capture much of what goes on with a go pro, but what is it going to look like with 20 of them rolling?

WORD Bob go for it

Ok, just got word that the film (that's an old term isn't it) session will be on May 12th at Ivanpah. Not sure of times of day yet but I assume we would make the most of it. My buddy has said the more the merrier and all skill levels. We don't know what the wind might be but we usually have good wind that time of year I understand. I hope this is enough notice to get some of you guys that are farther away to be able to make it. It will probably be warm but not scorching summer hot.

They will bring lots of cameras so get hooked up!

I wish I could be there!

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Originally posted by BeamerBob I hope this enough notice to get some of you guys that are farther away to be able to make it.

Cheers Bob...

I'm in Bob....let me know the details and we can make it happen.

Would like to say I could make it but that's mothers day weekend so I cant

Bob, have they given you any indication on when the show might air?

I know it is yet to have been filmed, but are they thinking later this summer, fall,... have they given you any clue yet?

Wish I could be there, but Ivanpah is pretty far away from A-town!

His series runs October to january IIRC. Each episode runs 3 times it seems as well. Wish all of us could be there to give the show the most energy.

Wish I could be there!

Perfect excuse to get back to Ivanpah..."Honey, they are shooting a TV show and I really need to be there."