Yes we do..................

Iam not a Phoenix but I am Don Leech.....seriously a bigger kite does give more margin for error if flown in the right wind.........my 8.5m blade III is a serious handful but manageble in 12 to 14 mph wind..........(static)........ 12 mph tops in the buggy.....above that she breaks traction on the wheels.........

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Originally posted by BeamerBob Exactly BR! Old guys rule! :cool2:

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Yes we do..................

Iam not a Phoenix but I am Don Leech.....seriously a bigger kite does give more margin for error if flown in the right wind.........my 8.5m blade III is a serious handful but manageble in 12 to 14 mph wind..........(static)........ 12 mph tops in the buggy.....above that she breaks traction on the wheels.........

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Originally posted by BeamerBob Exactly BR! Old guys rule! :cool2:

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Originally posted by pongnut or a new 3 meter Pansh Flux or Legend for about the same price). Something that size would be more appropriate to take out in 15-20 mph winds. :

Is this a pretty good brand? What would the difference between the Flux and the Legend?

I've only flown the 4m Flux (static and landboard) and think it flys just fine. I don't have any experience with the Legend. WIllardTheGrey may be able to describe the difference between those two kites. Other than the color scheme, all I know is that the Legend apeared on the scene in 2006 and the Flux was introduced in 2010.

I will be at SPI as well, if bobs quiver doesn't help you zero in- you can try my 2.0 Legend, 3.5 Imp Quatro, 3.0 Beamer etc.etc.

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Originally posted by KAZEDOKA I will be at SPI as well, if bobs quiver doesn't help you zero in- you can try my 2.0 Legend, 3.5 Imp Quatro, 3.0 Beamer etc.etc.

Cool! When will you be there?

I little bit of what happened was shell shock. 1st time feeling real power can be a kick in the pants. With time you will feel more comfortable with that 5m in the same winds.

Folks suggested that the 5m would fit in when the snapsot was not cutting it. I have to expect the snapshot would have been entertaining in those winds. Also as suggested there is no such thing as a kite that performs well in all wind speeds. This is why you see most of us have at least 3 different sized kites.

I wouldn't be trading in so much as looking for a 3m to fill the gap. Flux is more expensive than Legend. It has better material, bridles and a safety package. I have no practical experience with either but the Flux is newer tech and I suspect better flying? Pansh are a somewhat good deal new but don't bring a very strong dollar in resale.

NOTHING will beat catching up with other pilots and sharing there knowledge + gear.

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Originally posted by Bladerunner I little bit of what happened was shell shock. 1st time feeling real power can be a kick in the pants.

That was some shell shock lemme tell you! :o
I still feel the effects of it on my back and arms! It really took me by surpised.

I really think it's best for me to get rid of the kite. I simply can't afford to buy a smaller kite without getting rid of the 5.0. I figure winds will frequently be blowing out of the north at higher than normal speeds during this season and especially during winter. I feel a 3m kite (or maybe even 2.5) will be better suited for my needs during this time. Call me an overly cautious guy, but I believe in baby steps before flying ;-) .

Im really anxious to get back to flying one without having to worry about winds being to strong. Winds having been picking up lately around here.

Perhaps early next year, I may be ready for a bigger kite.

If you need to trade down then do so ! Getting out as much as possible is the goal.

3m will fly in very little wind and take you into the 20's. It just doesn't produce much power + you have a much smaller wind window when the wind is low. If you aren't in a hurry to use the kite as an engine then a 3m 4line will deliver up lots of fun and still have enough power to shock your shell when it's windy !

NOTHING wrong with baby steps as long as you are feeding the stoke!

KEEP THE TENSOR 5

i am 6' 2"+ and wheig in at 290# and i can tell you you need to keep the 5
also last time i was in padre there was a kite shope on the island if i was you i would go get in the water i wish i lived that close to kitable water

Keep your eyes peeled on this for sale forum and you can pick up kites in fantastic condition at great prices i just made a deal on a couple of ozone kites 2 and 4 m for probably the same price you paid for that tensor and have bought 3 in the range you are looking for less than 125 rtf being the highest and 75 being the lowest

post in the wanted section and someone usually has a 2 or 3 m to get rid of

best of luck and please dont get discouraged keep the kite if you watch the wind like a hawk youll find the times to ride whien the wind is buttery smooth

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=23234

Dont think you can beat this bran new $110 Excelent Quality

Hey Lookingup thanks for the info, man. I got rid the Tensor 5. I just couldnt bring myself to buying something else and still keep it. The guilt would've been too much and I know I wouldn't have enjoyed myself.

I should get the Tensor 3 today, though! There's currently a steady above average breeze, so I shoud be able to have some fun at SPI this weekend. :wee:

We'll see how it goes.

Cheers!

Glad that you're going to be able to get out and fly again soon. I'll be curious whether you prefer flying that on the handles or bar.

You know what, I borrowed a Snapshot 2.5 (just like the one that got stolen from me..hmmm..) and realized how much more fun the Snapshot is in comparison to my new Tensor 3.1! Way easier for me to control and decent pull. In higher winds, I'm sure it'll be much more fun. So, anyone out there who is new to all this and wants a good starter kite, I suggest the Snapshot 2.5. That's the kite that got me hooked. My next purchase will be another 2.5.

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Originally posted by pongnut When you double the wind speed for the same size kite, the pull is quadrupled!:shocked2:

Really? Why?

yikes! a 2.5 2 line to a 5.0 4 line is a big step IMHO too big.... take a look at the PKD Busters, fantastic quality and a better price than your Amazon kites www.pkdkitesusa.com start small and work your way up one size at a time and before long you will have a kite for any condition and the skills to boot. I fly the Buster 3.3 static all the time, and if and when you get some wheels it will serve you well, here I am buggying with the 3.3 Buster http://youtu.be/W-EAShq20zo

If there is someone out there that can get you set up with a Pansh Adam on a 4 line bar I think you will be very happy. It will be very familiar to the 2 line but since it is a 4 line on a bar you will have reverse launch ability. The Pansh Adam is a very beginner friendly kite. It comes in 3.5m and 4.5m and since it is a closed cell kite you can actually take it to the beach and fly it in then water and have some fun also.

IMHO this set up would be a nice step up for you while keeping you on a bar but not introducing you to depower. Just a thought......

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Originally posted by razeontherock Quote: Originally posted by pongnut When you double the wind speed for the same size kite, the pull is quadrupled!:shocked2: Really? Why?

AFAIK that's because the kite generates most of its pull through forward movement. If the windspeed is doubled, the kite gets so much faster, that atleast the "peak" pull is nearly quadrupled. Doubling the kites size will make it much slower, so it doesn't qain that much in "peak" pull.:sniff:

@hymefly.... don't forget you can adjust the amount of pull you feel with that tensor by adjusting your top lines connection on bridle. Middle knot factory setting, good pull, top setting less pull in same wind, and bottom knot more pull for same wind. It can make a bit more manageable in higher winds and more fun in lowe to moderate winds.... might give that a try.. all is explained in manual.

Great thread. At 350 6'5" it seems a 5m is a perfect entry kite. Any recommendations on make & models? Opening budget is about $400.

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Originally posted by UnknownAX Quote: Originally posted by razeontherock Quote: Originally posted by pongnut When you double the wind speed for the same size kite, the pull is quadrupled!:shocked2: Really? Why? AFAIK that's because the kite generates most of its pull through forward movement. If the windspeed is doubled, the kite gets so much faster, that atleast the "peak" pull is nearly quadrupled. Doubling the kites size will make it much slower, so it doesn't qain that much in "peak" pull.:sniff:

Actually doubling windspeed means the wind has eight times the power. Why: because kenetic energy is 1/2mv^2. As what mass per second of air your kite sees will be directly proportional to the velocity, the available power is proportional to velocity cubed.

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Originally posted by BDX Great thread. At 350 6'5" it seems a 5m is a perfect entry kite. Any recommendations on make & models? Opening budget is about $400.

If you have little to no experience a 5m kite would be a very bad start. It is recommended that a person starts out with a 2-3m trainer or lower end intermediate kite. Starting kites include but are not limited to ozone flow/octane, Peterlynn hornet, and HQ Beamer V.

Starting with to big of a kite can seriously put a hurting on you. starting with one of the above listed brands in 2 to 3 meter sizes will get you a good starter kite and also give you a good high wind kite for those nuking days. I use my 2m flow in 30+ but would never give it to anyone else in those winds but in 15mph winds I give it to 9 year olds to learn on. I would almost never give my 5m to anyone starting out just for the fact if put in the wrong spot it can yank you 10 feet off the ground and drop you like nothing.

Cheers and welcome to the forum.

Thnx Pyro, So noted. its difficult to interpret what beginner actually means at times or entry for that matter. What would you think of a smaller depower or a kite that allows for detuning, such as a Tensor? One of the great benefits of a forum is you get to bounce questions. Btw, given your name, are you also an operator. I have 25 years as a squib for PyroSpec.

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Originally posted by BDX Thnx Pyro, So noted. its difficult to interpret what beginner actually means at times or entry for that matter. What would you think of a smaller depower or a kite that allows for detuning, such as a Tensor? One of the great benefits of a forum is you get to bounce questions. Btw, given your name, are you also an operator. I have 25 years as a squib for PyroSpec.

what are your intentions? static (just kite and you)? board? buggy? jumping? if static, a 3m fixed bridal kite will keep you interested and it will cross over to most of the other types of kiting I mentioned above.
I suggest the PKD Busters www.pkdkitesusa.com

Thank you MKD, I had forgotten most of my specifications were put up on another thread. I'm 60, 6'5" 350#, and at this point in my life I'm interested in static flying larger kites in lighter winds at the beach for the most part. Possibly boarding. Your recommendations are in the mill, along with a Tensor, Beamer, Apex, and an Ozone ranging from 3 to 5m.

The idea of jumping intentionally sounds fantastic but impractical and more likely as not, undesirable, given my size and weight. I hadnt planned on suiting up after 35 years to fly a kite. I had to chuckle when, after showing my wife a video of a pretty nice boost and float sequence she asked if I intended to "take off with the damned thing". I said that I didnt intend to, but she should check the palm trees and mangroves on the lagoon if I wasnt back by the sunset...

your a big guy that may help you stay on the ground but the 3.3 will give you just as much power as it does me @ 150 IMHO I don't think that weight is an issue while learning to fly. it may dictate what size kite you go for to buggy or something, but the 3.3 will serve you well while learning then work your way up into the bigger kites. if you are going to get into this you will more than likely have more than a couple kites anyway and it is safer to have a kite for any condition, then you are not as tempted to fly the wrong kite in the wrong wind. BTW I am assuming you have no experience with a 4 line power kite. just so you know, I watched my 260lb brother in-law get his butt kicked by a 3.2 SKD on the beach.

Lol, you're right. Whether a kite can pick me up unexpectedly or whether it will kick my ass are two different things entirely! I'll punch that bit of advice up to the top of my considerations. It was suggested that a depower would allow a larger kite but that was offset by the complexity of the system..another great piece of advice. I suppose if one were to fly only under the lightest softest wind where the kite is going to be a lamb that's one thing, but if you want to go out and fly and are shutdown because that lamb turned into a grizzly that's another. I'd rather fly when I want to than have the vagaries of weather dictate to me. I'll call Dakitez and discuss some options along those lines.

yeah a depower would be a poor choice for a first kite IMO. the 3.0 to 3.5 will give you the biggest range in wind but eventually you will want 2m through 12m in your quiver, getting into a buggy will add 90% more fun too. but first things first I have heard only good things about Dakitez.

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Originally posted by BDX Btw, given your name, are you also an operator. I have 25 years as a squib for PyroSpec.

No I just like fire sorry. Although your job sounds fun. I actually work on b-52s

"No I just like fire sorry...."

Lmao, a perfect candiate for a hand fired show...Its actually a passionate paid hobby and not my job. In fact I'm retired. (Env Investigator and Aerometric instrumentation specialist) I'm sure you'd find it as entertaining (if not more so) than kiting. Unfortunately you cant shoot commercial fireworks every time you get a hankering to light some quikmatch...We'll handfire up to 5" but after that, and in accordance with NFPA guidelines larger shells have to be fired electrically. Prior to that reg, I dd shoot a 8"s by hand but you have to keep your mouth open when the lifting charge went off to keep your ear drums from bursting due to overpressure. Scary friggn cool #@%$#! man!!

(Sorry and thanks for the off topic indulgence Moderator)