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3shot
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I still have the new buggy/kite curse from December going. One more kite can't possibly be any worse :P
Doesn't matter. Whichever one I decide on, the wind will either be too much or not enough for it :D
Cross Kites Sonic 3, 5m
Ozone Flow 2, 3, 4, 5m
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http://hint.fm/wind/
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riffclown
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Mood: rain rain go away...leave some wind so I can play.
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Welcome to the dark side... HQ wonderland
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3shot
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What, my 1.4 and 1.8 Symphony don't count??
Cross Kites Sonic 3, 5m
Ozone Flow 2, 3, 4, 5m
Ace II 4, 5m
NAPKA-US24
4, 5, 6m ATB landsurfer. Custom longboard deck
Buggy: VTT Black Widow v2.0
http://hint.fm/wind/
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riffclown
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Mood: rain rain go away...leave some wind so I can play.
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Are they 4 line?? OOPS Hijack alert.. Back to the Toxic 3M..
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soliver
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I got out in the buggy today for the first time since Nov. 30th and the wind was semi conducive to the 3m size, so I brought out the Toxic. I realized
that Toxic REALLY performs best good semi steady wind. Today was NOT semi steady and it was a regular luff-fest with the Toxic. I didn't start to get
it humming until I pulled out the 4m Core. Unfortunately that wasn't until I only had 1/2 hour left to play, and I didn't have a strop on the Core
... I had to ride with KKs rather than the harness... It was really rocking, but
my forearms are TOAST now.
So,... If you end up getting a Toxic, be choosy with what wind conditions you pull it out in. ATL wind can be really shifty and kinda gusty which it
doesn't like.
I'm going to take a nap now
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Demoknight
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Good point Soliver. I do not like flying the Toxic in shifty winds because it sits so far up in the window that it will overfly and luff badly when
the wind shifts or lulls. To counteract this, I usually keep brake tension pretty solid the closer I feel I am towards the edge of the window and
always be ready to redirect to keep the luff from happening. I suppose it is good to know that the smaller sizes behave closely to the 8m. I wasn't
sure if they had the same quirks because of the smaller size.
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Kites:
Ozone R1 V3 7m
Flysurfer Sonic v3 15m
Flysurfer Speed 3 Deluxe 19m
Peter Lynn Charger 2 12m
Ozone Access Reride 6m
Peter Lynn 2013 Reactor 5.5m
Peter Lynn 2013 Reactor 8.6m
Prism Tensor 5.0m
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GT-Race Code:R6
Weird Beard VTT Custom
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riffclown
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Mood: rain rain go away...leave some wind so I can play.
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They really like a bit of brake input and you do have to keep in mind that they are fast enough to overfly their windows..
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3shot
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Yup. The higher the performance of the kite, the more asinine they become lol
I think the majority of us deal with washy inland winds Soliver. Only a select few of us can ride every day in the desert or oceanfront. I plan on
starting out with a 4m Toxic then building up and down from there. I am hoping for the best with my inland wind too, but am really gearing that quiver
to mega fields and beaches. My Ozone Flow quiver does a great job at scrubbing washy winds and saving the day. They may not be the fastest or most
exciting kite to fly, but they are as stable as they come and WILL move a buggy when others fail. Just like your Core saved the day today.
Cross Kites Sonic 3, 5m
Ozone Flow 2, 3, 4, 5m
Ace II 4, 5m
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4, 5, 6m ATB landsurfer. Custom longboard deck
Buggy: VTT Black Widow v2.0
http://hint.fm/wind/
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soliver
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Yeah, I'm thinking I might get a couple of lower AR kites (when I can) to help out with this, maybe just a 3m & 5m to help out... I think maybe
it's just the winter winds. Spring's just around the corner and it may be better then.
I'm going to take a nap now
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3shot
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The Reactor II's AR are spot on to the Toxic's. Owners of both claim the RII is still faster than the Toxic. Sized respectively of course
Cross Kites Sonic 3, 5m
Ozone Flow 2, 3, 4, 5m
Ace II 4, 5m
NAPKA-US24
4, 5, 6m ATB landsurfer. Custom longboard deck
Buggy: VTT Black Widow v2.0
http://hint.fm/wind/
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Demoknight
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Probably true about the Reactor being a little faster, but does it turn as well as the Toxic? Also, just throwing this out there: There is a pretty
big price difference between the Toxic and comparable kites such as the Reactor. I think the Toxic is the cheapest kite you can get that can do what
it does while still having excellent build quality and the insanely good bag they come in.
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Kites:
Ozone R1 V3 7m
Flysurfer Sonic v3 15m
Flysurfer Speed 3 Deluxe 19m
Peter Lynn Charger 2 12m
Ozone Access Reride 6m
Peter Lynn 2013 Reactor 5.5m
Peter Lynn 2013 Reactor 8.6m
Prism Tensor 5.0m
Ride:
GT-Race Code:R6
Weird Beard VTT Custom
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3shot
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I don't own a Toxic "yet", but everything I gather say they love brakes and turn BETTER than a Reactor LOL. Reactor's are great too but are a little
fussy about brake steering.
I also dig quality bags bro. Not a fan of the new "economy" Reactor 2013 bags. Guess I'm a snob lol.
And trust me, there is nothing cheap about the build quality of the performance HQ kites. Their material feels more rigid, and their bridles are
second to none.
Cross Kites Sonic 3, 5m
Ozone Flow 2, 3, 4, 5m
Ace II 4, 5m
NAPKA-US24
4, 5, 6m ATB landsurfer. Custom longboard deck
Buggy: VTT Black Widow v2.0
http://hint.fm/wind/
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soliver
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I have 2 RII's and they don't like brakes as much as Toxic, in fact too much brakes makes RII poop out. If I need my RII to turn a little sharper I'll
give it a touch of the brake, but very little, but the 8.6m in particular is not a fan. That said, given how Toxic responds to brakes, it's very
likely that Toxic turns faster, but probably only marginally.
My 5.5m RII did better in today's shifty wind than the Toxic, it was just too much kite today.
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3shot
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Well, if I fail, my resident HQ neighbor riffclown will get me up and running in no time. He loves him some Crossfire II now.
Cross Kites Sonic 3, 5m
Ozone Flow 2, 3, 4, 5m
Ace II 4, 5m
NAPKA-US24
4, 5, 6m ATB landsurfer. Custom longboard deck
Buggy: VTT Black Widow v2.0
http://hint.fm/wind/
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riffclown
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After flying the Toxic side by side with the Crossfire II, it's the only kite I would even consider as a replacement. If one of my Crossfires ever
gets damaged, you can bet the replacement will be a Toxic.
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Demoknight
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I am never selling my 8m Toxic until it gets old and ragged. Even then I would probably give it a Viking funeral instead.
NAPKA US8008
Kites:
Ozone R1 V3 7m
Flysurfer Sonic v3 15m
Flysurfer Speed 3 Deluxe 19m
Peter Lynn Charger 2 12m
Ozone Access Reride 6m
Peter Lynn 2013 Reactor 5.5m
Peter Lynn 2013 Reactor 8.6m
Prism Tensor 5.0m
Ride:
GT-Race Code:R6
Weird Beard VTT Custom
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3shot
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Quote: Originally posted by Demoknight | I am never selling my 8m Toxic until it gets old and ragged. Even then I would probably give it a Viking funeral instead. |
Viking funeral LOL.
That is awesome!
Cross Kites Sonic 3, 5m
Ozone Flow 2, 3, 4, 5m
Ace II 4, 5m
NAPKA-US24
4, 5, 6m ATB landsurfer. Custom longboard deck
Buggy: VTT Black Widow v2.0
http://hint.fm/wind/
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If there is a funeral pyre, please be careful no to breathe toxic fumes..
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3shot
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Quote: Originally posted by 3shot | I've got permission from fighter command :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Now just need to decide which one :puzzled: |
Well guys I picked up the Toxic 4m. :evil:
Review to come...
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Hope to try it out this weekend. Oh wait, I still have the new buggy/kite curse still. This ought to be triple whammy interesting..
Cross Kites Sonic 3, 5m
Ozone Flow 2, 3, 4, 5m
Ace II 4, 5m
NAPKA-US24
4, 5, 6m ATB landsurfer. Custom longboard deck
Buggy: VTT Black Widow v2.0
http://hint.fm/wind/
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soliver
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Sweetness!!!!
Enjoy the sooooooper crispy fun,... He's gonna pull like a Mac truck.
Maybe I should get a Flexi Rage now so we can match
Wait a minute,... Did you sell your RII?
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riffclown
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Trying to decide btween the 5M & 8M myself.
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Clive
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Went out last Saturday with the 4m toxic, wind was square onshore at something a little over 20 knots did about 42 mph, done better than that with a
tail wind, but was losing traction severely ....... So I had to order the 3m it will be here tomorrow , now I've got the set except for the 2m , that
might be a while away as I will need close to 30 knots to fly that one.
3 buggys
12 kites
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soliver quoted: Yeah, I'm thinking I might get a couple of lower AR kites (when I can) to help out with this, maybe just a 3m & 5m to help out...
I think maybe it's just the winter winds. Spring's just around the corner and it may be better then.
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I was thinking that as well. I just bought a 3 meter beamer for high wind days and was thinking about getting a 5 meterish low ar for medium wind
gusty days. I think it would be interesting if they had 6 and 8 meter Hornet/beamer like kites available to try out in the buggy. Maybe not, I don't
have enough buggy experience to know yet.
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Demoknight
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Riff I would say go with the 8m because you already have a lot to overlap with the 5m.
P.S. Riff you killed me with the toxic fumes....
NAPKA US8008
Kites:
Ozone R1 V3 7m
Flysurfer Sonic v3 15m
Flysurfer Speed 3 Deluxe 19m
Peter Lynn Charger 2 12m
Ozone Access Reride 6m
Peter Lynn 2013 Reactor 5.5m
Peter Lynn 2013 Reactor 8.6m
Prism Tensor 5.0m
Ride:
GT-Race Code:R6
Weird Beard VTT Custom
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