Okay, I'm confused now. On one hand soliver said jeff should speak up. Jeff you did speak up and if I heard correctly, your point of view is that there is never situation regardless of kite size or wind speed that you would not use you aqr system. Soliver you said that in some instances with lulls in the wind in your area you were going to try using a spreader bar without qr for less hassle (mentioned on another thread). I'm not sure if you two agree with each other or not. Just trying to figure out who the idiots are , I'm assuming I'm one of them but it doesn't look like I'm alone. Also, maybe I don't understand Jeff's safety system. Jeff, how would it work on a board, or at that point is your system the same as what a lot of the others mentioned using such as pulley and quick release? I'm not trying to ruffle feathers, just trying to learn as much as I can as there are no shops or people in my area that I can reference.

Also, Jeff, what about depower kites and buggy? Do you hook the line on your system to the one of the quick release on the bar or chicken loop of a depower?

Quote: Originally posted by indigo_wolf

So with the strop you can have a few different setups. One is the Holt Allen Snatch Block and Wichard Shackle This is heliboy50's setup The strop is "captured" in the Snatch Block (upper black piece) and the quick release is provided by the Wichard Snap Shackle (silver bit at the bottom). ATB, Sam

Is this what heliboy50 was using when he had his accident last year? Or a different setup? I remember him being lofted when he was injured. Didn't know if the events just happened too fast to activate the release. Not trying to thread drift here. Just curious. I "may" also be in the market for a harness, and want to be as educated as possible too. I really like Jeff's AQR concept, and the one in skim's vid.

the picture with the quick release shackle and the green ball is a basic setup that you have to deploy. And just to make things clearer there is an up and down on that Wichard. If you pull in a certain direction it will not open. As for my quick release system, all I can say is I will never be pulled out of my buggy again. If I am hooked in, I use my quick release system. If I am NOT hooked in, I am flying just with the handles in my hands.as far as the system that Josh had when he was hurt it wasn't until he was pulled out of the buggy slammed on the playa hurt and then was able to twist around and finally pulled the green ball. Not to say his system is good or bad or what he did was wrong or correct, that's for each individual to decide on. In my world an idiot is someone who continues to do the same sayings expecting a different outcome. It also means that someone who does not want to listen and knows better but does it anyway.there are many variations to my system and there's nothing wrong with that that's not my system and its not set up the way I would but that's just me. Anyone can do anything anyhow for whatever reason. I choose to not go back to the hospital, I choose not to waste away two years of my life, when I choose to enjoy the holidays and birthdays and everything else I missed for those two years. And come to think of it forevermore things will never be the same, so if I didn't use my quicky system I would be the idiot. My wife says if the shoe fits wear it well if the dunce hat will fit then I guess that's what I am.
I understand where people are and what they want to do and how they want to go about it, I was no different than they were the only thing is I got caught, I got pulled out of my buggy and slammed to the earth. Others have somewhat of the same situation, and have miraculously walked away from it. I wasn't so fortunate. As for using my quick release on a board yes it will work, takes a little bit of Engineering but it does work. As for the depower, I haven't got to that point because the design of the quick release for the depower doesn't warrant automatic quick release.

Thank you Jeff!!

Hooked in= AQR
Not hooked in = handle flying

My thoughts exactly

Thanks for filling in the blanks for me Jeff. Coincidentally, my harness came in the mail today and I left work a little early and took it for a quick spin with a 4 meter (just static). I'll have to say it was a little unnerving to say the least to be hooked in and knowing that I wouldn't be able to just let go. I had so much fun in the buggy without a harness that I'm not sure it's worth it to me to harness at all. I might just save it for a depower kite in the future. From what everyone says about depower and how well they handle gusts, it might be worth a try for me at some point.

Sorry for the confusion ssayre, I just meant I was suprised Jeff had not said more because I know he has very strong feelings on the whole harness and spreader bar issue (and for very good reason). I'm just in the place where I have used what I have and am interested in trying something else primarily because of the conditions I fly in. What little I have tried it (the bullet spreader), I'm really not sure if I do like it, but that's yet to be determined.

And I agree it is unnerving as you said. I'm still getting used to it myself.

Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner

I stick with the hook spreader because I mostly fly depower but switch it up. The fact I have no QR is worrisome and I used to incorporate a small pin style QR on my strops. I have definitely been so powered that pushing out of the hook wasn't easy. Also become unhooked unintentionally on occasion. Are roller spreaders able to be adapted to hold a Chicken Loop? Where do you stick the chicken finger ?

I have flown a depower on my pulley spreader. No place for the donkey dick. It pops out easily. If you are a stainless welder I can see adapting one to work, but otherwise I advise against it and just swap your spreaders out when you swap kites. It just adds 2 minutes to the switch. Worth the trouble of having two spreaders imo.