911 mentioned the bull breeds. Personally, is be more worried if I saw a chow loose or a cocher spaniel.

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Had a dog pee on my kite once and I chased him off. The owner was totally unapologetic and just left..

I actually saw that if you are referring to that VAB trip last winter.

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Quote: Originally posted by riffclown   Had a dog pee on my kite once and I chased him off. The owner was totally unapologetic and just left.. I actually saw that if you are referring to that VAB trip last winter.

That's the one..

I wonder whatever happened to the guy that used to tell the wild stories that started off with a dog and a cop in the park while he was trying to fly his kite! I miss those entertaining stories!

The closest experience I've had with this was at my last sesh... A little lady had (on a leash at least) what looked like a papillon or chihuahua which was determinedly charging my 8.6m... so I lifed off with the dog and owner still 30 ft away... The dog was insistent and the lady acted like she couldn't hold him back... I'm thinking the dog couldn't have weighed more than 5 lbs... Seriously!... so I landed and let the dog sniff and just PRAYED he didn't hike a leg... The lady just kind of smiled at me and waved "oh! He's very interested!!!"... Didn't even act like she was interfering in the least

Very obnoxious.

"pet" is the harm

the slaughter house has no volunteers on either side of fence

kite leash is active safety for public ..... public safety is not on the mind of a careless "pet" owner. "owner"---> no thats a veer i gonna avoid

If you respond to a dog's aggression, be prepared for even more aggression. I was attacked while riding a bike once. Dog came at me like a bullet snapping at my foot as I pedaled. I thought I could outride him and he would tire but when it went on for longer then I felt appropriate, I kicked him in the snout. I thought that would end it but that dog rolled his eyes like a shark and kicked it way up a notch in terms of aggression, anger and purpose. I had to keep swinging my foot as he kept snapping his mouth. The "attack" went on way longer then I thought it would both before and certainly after I kicked him. And remember, I was rolling and he was jogging/running the whole time. So imagine the stamina of the dog if he was just standing there or dancing around you as you now try to defend yourself and he has been struck / injured and not backing down.

I'm not saying you don't have a right to defend yourself if attacked but if you are standing toe-to-toe with a dog and you hit or hurt it, be prepared for what comes next. If you thought he was mad or intimidating before, just wait to see him when he is threatened and defensive. They are predators, domesticated or not.

That's a good point b roc. It's not like you can punch a dog without expecting a nasty bite.

I'm kind of surprised to hear that people run in to mean dogs at public places. I can't really say that I have. I run into mean dogs on residential sales calls, but that's different because I'm on their turf and they naturally defend their territory.

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well too many people allow their dogs to roam free on the beach at least where I live anyway... I will avoid a confrontation but I feel I need something to keep a dog at bay. It should be illegal to let a dog to roam around without a leash on in a public place. There are designated dog parks where people can let dogs run around without a leash...

Be careful here. Speaking and thinking like this is a slippery slope. This is how we end up with kite bans everywhere. Let me rephrase this to show you what I mean.

"Too many kite riders roam free on the beach. I try to stay out of the way but there's small children about. It should be illegal to kite freely with those lines running around everywhere. There are designated kite parks where people can fly kites without kids around."

Making things illegal doesn't make people not be dicks. Sadly it's not that simple. Trying to force the issue doesn't work. Let's all play nice on the playground or else the adults will make sure no one has fun.

I am sorry to hear of the poor encounters with owners and dogs. Be a better example. Show respect even when they don't. I know you all do. Sorry for the soapbox, I just want to make sure we as a kiting community are above this kind of group think of banning things based on some peoples bad behavior. We know where it leads.

ok guys.. I am not out to harm someone's dog or anything.. basically I want to fly my kite while being left alone - this isn't too much to ask for is it?

I have done some research. I live in Australia and my state laws prohibit carrying an extendable baton. Pepper spray is also illegal here to carry.. so what I will have is a gopro camera fixed on my head (for legal reasons) and a kendo stick in my kite bag. I will do my best to shoe off a potential violent dog without resorting to attacking it. A hand full of sand and my kendo stick in hand should be enough to deal with the dog if the worst case scenario was to occur. I fly my kite in a remote area of the beach and unfortunately dog owners use this area to let their dogs off the leash despite the fact it is illegal to allow a dog off the leash during peak times of the day during summertime. It is also illegal to allow a restricted breed to roam free in an off leash area. Unfortunately not every dog owner complies with the law and has poor control over their dog. So by utilising a few countermeasures I am preventing myself from becoming a victim to a nuisance dog and idiotic dog owner.

A kendo stick is not illegal to carry and I may modify to make sure it is not illegal to carry. I think it is a far better weapon than an baton because I can swing a kendo far quicker and more efficiently than a steel baton. The kendo stick will only come out of the bag if I sense a genuine trouble dog heading my way... so passers by won't see it...

Also I am not a dog hater or anything but I worry about dogs like this when I see them on the beach... (posting this link again)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EabbpT7Ab8

All you guys crying about the doges on the beach, you better start watching the people, they are the ones that will really do you some harm.

I'm going kiting today without weapons. I'll just have to mount it to show dominance if I encounter a mean dog.

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I'm going kiting today without weapons. I'll just have to mount it to show dominance if I encounter a mean dog.

Feel free to leave the GoPro at home or at least include a warning in the titles of any video threads that might result. Especially if posted near meal times

ATB,
Sam

Sean... You'll be going too fast for the pooches... Seeking 27

good idea sam

Spencer, we just had a whole night of rain so I won't be on the buggy. It's cold and windy so I'm going to attempt to get to know the peak.

Aha!... Good idea!