I disagree with pablo. I'll agree to be the one that disagrees with pablo when everyone else agrees. Because someone has too! And because he missed it bad last monday. woo buddy.

Back to the threads about Washington. This last spring I talked to the local ranger at Twin Harbors State park, near WestPort. Got a permit for Wash a Way Beach. His understanding was that I could go to the ranger at Longbeach or Ocean Shores and get a similar permit. Later that week I tried Long Beach only to be told NO. It was not allowed. After some research through local represenatives, All contacts to Parks and Rec went un answered. I found that the head honcho at Parks and Recreation ( Rex Derr) has the control of this. He said, since buggies have been clocked in excess of 25 mph (really ) then they are not allowed on Washington beaches. It is a state highway during parts of the year and the speed limit is 25. ( this was relayed to me from one of the secretarys of my local represenative.) In my thinking he must have had a poor experience with landsailers, kites, ultralights or something. ( It is a WAC 352-37-090) However, through more research, sections of the Washington beaches are closed to vehicle use from April to September, and that parks dept can issue special permits for events.

So, bottom line I would like to see buggy racing events particularily in Washington and would be willing to provide support where I can. I am not intertested in racing but I would like to see Washington beaches open to buggying. Maybe this is one way to get it to happen, start with special permits. Longbeach, Ocean Shores, Westport would benifit from the tourism.


Off the record I did buggy (?) at longbeach during October without anyone bothering me or saying I can't. The beaches are quiet and very little traffic. Stopped when the horses went by.

For what it's worth.
Tom

Well, that's great news. If you could work with the head guys in Washington to set up the permits and stuff, I'm sure we can get the guys to arrange and run some events. I'm new but will assist in any way possible, I know there's a large number of other guys that are also interested. Washington would be a great middle ground to bring the OR crowd together with the BC crowd. There's got to be lots of Washingtonians kicking around as well that are just staying off the main beaches to avoid problems.

the 'wash-a-way' permits have been available since the 90s. It's a cool place to ride, and I've heard its good to go after a huge episode of erosion. There have been many events, and the community there supports a kite festival. Great camping too!

where can you get the permits for wash-a-way? And who wants to set a frim date to all meet down there for a fun flying weekend. I say sometime in mid Jan.

You stop at the Ranger station at Twin Harbors State Park for the permits for wash a way. They are good for the year. January to January

lets do it ... pick a weekend in Jan or Feb we'll be there.

Jellis and Eli, let your people know ... and us westcoast canadians will do the same.

Well, let me know, Feb may be better for camping though and it breaks up that long haul between Christmas holidays and the first of the long weekends.

how about the weekend of Feb 16-17 :flaming:

that sounds good. camping would be a challenge. Fun, but frickin cold. I'll look at tides, tides?

I have printed out the 2008 tides and will post the weekends at Sunset Beach that would be low tide weekends.
Hey it's a start.
Jon

that weekend around Feb 16th looks like low tides around 4p.m.

The question is WHO COULD COME FOR SOME RACING?

Need a list of names, so WE know who might come, and we could send out email invitations with details.

SO GET A LIST TOGETHER, and We'll send out a Registration form with the invitations!

I'm in, where do I sign.

depending on where my buggy is at that time... I'm in.
I need to pay a visit to Jellis either way. So if I cant buggy I can still volunteer for racing.

PS. Will post Invite on Power Kite Canada

To sunset? I hope I can make it..*smile* Count me in.

Feb 16th is my birthday! 41yrs young.

we still going to fly the weekend of the 16th 17th of Feb

napkra is working out the details for this event. visit napkra.org for more info on the Feb 16-17 event as we went closer to the date.

wow it's been a good winter, yesterday sw winds 12-15, such a nice sunny day too. Couple day ago my buddyg tyson rode for over 5hrs in straight onshore winds.

We're looking at getting together Feb 16th. Our first "meeting",

I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW MUCH SUPPORT WE'RE GETTING FOR THE NEW ORGANIZATION!

I will have to disagree about the rules again. There are basic rightaway rules that anyone can understand and can be gleamed from the Class 8 rules. They need to know the basic rules for everyones safety, then as they progress the rules will become natural to them. As the buggier advances he can then study the rules on the finer points that top racers are always looking at to push the limits. It is not that hard and we will set up basic rules on NAPKRA.

At the risk of highjacking what has become largely a Pacific Nortwest thread (not a gripe, just envious), I'll throw my hat into the ring to organize something for those (few) in the Southeast.

I do not have the wherewithall for any formal racing event, but I do not think we have the critical mass for that down here. I think that the region is prime for a "fun fly" for bugs and ATB's. I am quite sure we could get the full promotional support of the Jekyll Island Authority (see link in sig below), the state agency that administers the island. We have a huge tidal range that give us 6-8 hours a day of beautiful hard-pack, and I bet we could officially cordon off 1/4 - to 1/2 half a mile from the public at large for the whole time. If we time it for a low tide in the late afternoon early evening with a seabreeze still working, a full four mile rally (8 miles round trip) could be possible. We have ample cheap beachside parking and local camping as well as motels/ hotels.

A circle drawn from the top of the Carolinas, through Atlanta and down to Central/ North Florida puts points in this region an easy day's drive or less.

If there is any interest in this, lt me know and I can take it further.

Merry chistmas and Happy Holidays to all.

do we know where the first event is going to be, we know which weekend but not a place is it still up in the air??:singing:

Angus
Join the NAPKRA and we will have support for your events whether it be circuit, a club fun fly, or long distance challenge, etc, etc, you name it just get out there. You will be surprised at how many great buggier s are out there that want to learn new ideas and share. NAPKRA is about completions but it is your choice and the sooner you join the more you have to say about the direction of this member voting, upfront no behind closed doors, and open to all North Americans.
Jon

Thanks, Jon
I just registered on the PAPKRA site. Curiously, it would not accept my registration unless I chose Region: "Western". "Eastern" generated an error message.
Is that why so many of the kite buggiers are out west? :tumble::tumble:

There is no "contacts" page yet, but I e-mailed the Webmaster.

Looking forward to seeing what's up.

What are in the regions is something we need to post on the site.

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Originally posted by jellis I will have to disagree about the rules again. There are basic rightaway rules that anyone can understand and can be gleamed from the Class 8 rules. They need to know the basic rules for everyones safety, then as they progress the rules will become natural to them. As the buggier advances he can then study the rules on the finer points that top racers are always looking at to push the limits. It is not that hard and we will set up basic rules on NAPKRA.

I just looked at the Class 8 rules as a complete noob, with no (buggy) race experience, nor even experience at a large event (like NABX). My "event" experience is liited to tooling around the beach at the same with a few other 'bugs and 'boards.

Having said that, I found nothing intimidating or hard to understand about the rules. I think Jon is right; newbies will easilly remember that which has context: practical right-of-way rules to keep participants at a fun event out of trouble. The more acedemic stuff will be easy to remeber when it's more important- prior to a first real race.

If still concerned about rules and newbies to a fun event, the AKA document "Safety Guidelines for Buggy Pilots" posted on the NAPKRA site...
http://www.napkra.org/pdfs/SafetyForBuggyPilots.pdf
... is pretty straightforward, and the "Group Safety" section appears to be a subset of the Class 8 rules anyway. Am I right on that?

Most important I would think to make racing accessable to newbies is a "real race" with the standard rules, but a novice or "fun" class, where the guy with a Beamer and a Kite Trike can have fun, learn a lot and not be intimidated by the guys with a full race rig.

we have different classes, not everyone has a racebuggy or racekites but we want to include everyone into all types of racing. no one will be left out, its up you to come, learn, practice, and race in the class you feel suits your abilities.

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Originally posted by ripsessionkites Jon for Pres!!!!

I'll second that!

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Originally posted by acampbell Having said that, I found nothing intimidating or hard to understand about the rules.

I am just starting the process of reformatting the Rules to make it even easier. I'll be adding graphics and descriptive examples to provide clarity. I hope to have it done in a couple of weeks.

bison

Man step away from the computer for a couple days and you miss a bunch. All good stuff to be hearing though, looks like things are moving forwards. It'll be nice to have some organized stuff going on up the west coast for sure.