pansh is pansh...1st time buyers and folks not familiar w/ tweeking kites should be avoiding them
you have some knowledge and 75 xtra$...go ahead nbd

i could do 40 w/ a beach umbrella on the right day...but my viper wii pbly be out in those conditions

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Quote: Originally posted by ssayre   Sorry blitz but you over paid for your viper. 300 is too much imo unless there is a hardcore viper collector out there. I know, I've bought and sold that same kite twice. HAHAHAHAHAHA! Pathetic! Your Arrogance betrays you. Your attempt to defend Chinese Garbage by attacking me personally only serves to prove my point and further devalue your position.

Interesting point of view. I feel like my arrogance has only been bolstered by this thread.

Stating fact isn't a personal attack. But by all means, see for yourself what your kite has sold for in the past 4 years using the search function on this website. It's public record not a matter of opinion or personal attack. The viper S and specifically the 2.6 is a great kite.

And you missed the point I was making. I don't give a Flip about pansh. I was pointing out that I respect the opinion of a longtime member about a specific kite. NOT the brand as a whole.

I would highly suggest going 4 line over 2 line or 3 line on a bar.

I started on two line sport kites and foils. I pounded that 2 line HQ symphony 2.2 into the ground so many times. My young daughter and my wife did the same. It thought it's steering and learning responses to the kites speed but did not leave me feeling "in control".

Next we had an HQ rush 350 that was flown on a bar with a third line saftey. It was just like the two line other than more pull and slower turning. It ended up pulling us unintentionally forward off of our feet because off the lack of brake control. The options were to slam it into the ground or drop the bar to stop.

Next we progressed to 4 line. I love the fact that with a 4 line you can always add some brakes to slow the kite down and you are in much more control. Landing the kite can be done with"a polite curtsey". Also self re launching is much easier with a 4 line.

I love the fact that I could hand the 2.5 alpha to my 9 year old daughter (in reasonable winds) and she can safely fly it. She can have confidence in the speed and braking of the kite. Now that she is 11 she will be able to handle the 2.5 alpha.

I was and am always on a budget. My opinion, save money and skip the 3 line kites.

Abkayak: Yes...Thank you. This is probably what i should have said the first time. Rather than go on an Anti-Pansh rant. I have flown 3 different models of Pansh kites and all of them have had issues. granted someone with experience would be able to tweak, adjust, and or compensate for these issues. But! Someone with little to know experience especially if handing to a child. I would have to strongly recommend against ANY model of Pansh. It has been proven time and time again that their quality and performance across all models is inconsistent. I personally feel that these kites are DANGEROUS for a beginner. especially a child. I am going to at least share my opinion and experience on the matter. I meant no offense to anyone. Yet its clear i have offended some.

In response to those i have offended. I will not apologize. I Stand behind what i said. I attacked no one personally. Only Pansh as a whole.

Ssayre: I will not continue to argue or debate with you. It has become clear that you have taken this WAYYYY to personal. This is an open forum. a family oriented forum. It is no place for foul language. If you want to cuss, do it somewhere else. What I pay or sell a kite for is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Which suggests you were attempting a jab at me personally. If you are not capable or willing to engage in intelligent debate or conversation then perhaps you should remain silent. Nobody on this forum needs you to rush to the defense of their honor. I am sorry you have taken my position on Pansh so personally. It was not meant as an attack on RTZ or anyone else but Pansh its self. We here on the forum all have the same passion (KITES) and we all want to see new people engaging in our shared passion. we all have different experiences and opinions. I feel they should all be welcome and open to share without fear of reprisal.

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I feel they should all be welcome and open to share without fear of reprisal.

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Quote: Originally posted by jeffnyc   Yah, should be mentioned (not that Im pushing Pansh, mind you), prices are half off listed. So you have to add it to your cart to see the actual discounted price. Shipping included. Its kind of crazy. Crazy? Its cheap Chinese junk. What is crazy is you all trying to pass this garbage off like its the real deal. Thats like bragging to all your friends about how cheap your fake knock off Rolex was and recommending it to others as a good alternative to the real thing. Thats what is really CRAZY! You people are exactly the kind of people that cheap Chinese Knock off companies like Pansy are targeting. The Walmart shopper that wants something for nothing. Yes you will see a Pansh in my Sig. It was given to me. For FREE. It is unstable and dangerous. I will never give that kite to someone else knowing that. You do NOT give away a dog that bites. You either keep it locked up away from people or you put it down. I unfortunately love kites to much to do the latter. There is a reasons Pansh is able to sell so cheap. Reason 1. Maybe you should further research their manufacturing practices, Labor practices. BEFORE you continue to support a possible sweatshop. (How are they able to produce it so cheap? Inferior materials? Substandard Labor? Or both?) Reason 2. You get what you PAY FOR. ( You dont buy a fake Rolex expecting it to perform and last like the real thing. Those of you that have Panshs know that they are not consistent in their quality or performance yet you recommend them for a child? Now thats what I call CRAZY! I have said my peace. Im sure I have satisfactorily pissed off enough of you. You are welcome.

im not taking it personally just speaking plainly. You want an open forum so long as no one says anything you don't like. Your posts are contradictory.

to the original post. It's also worthy of note that kites like the snapshot and symphony? are stunt foils and not power kites and are sized differently than a true power kite. Here is a picture of my old 2.5 snapshot laying next to a 3m beamer.

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First off i will apologize for the rant. as you can tell. I do strongly dislike Pansh and all they represent. That being said i also work from midnight to noon. So a lot of my posts are during my 3AM break. I'd also like to add that i have flown the Tensor several times and it is a little tractor. a very versatile kite. The bar breaks down to handles to it can be flown on both, and it also has AoA adjustments in the bridling. simply a well designed product. all the ones i have flown were VERY hard pulling kites for their size. Though I'm sure this could be adjusted. But...they are usually very spendy even used. I would recommend an HQ Alpha for a kid beginner kite especially if your not buggyin with it. i have a 1.5 that all my kids fly until they hammered it into the ground to many times in high wind and blew out two cells. i just haven't gotten around to sending it off to get fixed yet. They can take a serious beating. they are fairly cheap even new they are still on the cheap side and they are solid stable well behaved kites. i can't say enough good tings about these low cost little kites. i will say that due to their low AR they have a relatively small Window and that makes them difficult to buggy with as a beginner. another one thats cheap but a two liner is that Flexifoil Big Buzz. It's well built and is a heck of a lot of fun to fly. the Rages would be a good option as a four liner. and can usually be found on Amazon at reasonable prices. also they are excelent kites to buggy with as you progress into the sport. That's my two cents anyway.

Doh! My apologies, blitz, I reread some of this thread and I had missed this follow up post to your first one. My apologies at taking a swipe at you on the viper.