:eekdrull: good one daaf!

:puzzled: so did it arrive does it work Give us the skinny man:karate:

Is there any "crossover" in concepts between this and the crossover bar thread
canadian crossover bar on ebay

I got an email yesterday...Its coming from Thailand with an estimated arrival date of May1..this weekend I guess

Mine is on order... they are telling me 2 weeks :-(

Wife told me that it came today...I will fly it Saturday since tomorrows forecast is for thunderstoms...I will post Saturday night..

I did take about 1.5 weeks....

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Originally posted by Lanbro Wife told me that it came today...I will fly it Saturday since tomorrows forecast is for thunderstoms...I will post Saturday night.. I did take about 1.5 weeks....

Well, how did it go? We got rained out this weekend but sure would enjoy hearing how that bar worked for you.

I'm in NJ and rained out all weekend as well...thunderstorms...still raining today...

http://www.racekites.com/reviews/getReview.asp?reviewID=2476

This thing is getting harder and harder not to buy. I wish somebody in the states stocked it to avoid the shipping hassle....

f0rgiv3n - thanx for the racekites review link...
actually, NO thanks...it looks like another suction hose is headed towards the wallet :sniff:
I'm wondering if the Pkd Twisterbar or even that homemade eBay crossover bar can compare?

(some select review snippets below):

"...I can only say that I've not seen my Flow fly as fast and precise on handles before today...When Ozone say "Supercharge your fixed bridle kite" they mean it!!! I'm finding it hard to believe the difference the Turbo bar makes...In low winds on handles the 4m Flow can be a bit of a slouch, taking it's time to travel across the window...Not on the bar though,It's like having a new kite all over again!!! Soooo much quicker and more responsive with what seems like heaps more pulling power...Turns out we both said at exactly the same time " I don't think I'm gonna be using handles again!"

No, Lad..... Don't look into the light

Ben:
Couldn't you just have one of the US authorized Ozone dealers piggyback the Turbo Bar on one of their regular/periodic orders?

I've done that with a few Flexifoil items. Basically made a laundry list from the FF site and placed the order locally. He receives Flexifoil shipments once or twice a week, by 2nd Day Air from UK. Worked out pretty well. Any slow down is if there is a backlog on the other side of the pond.

ATB,
Sam

According to the linked Turbo Bar review, and other conjectures here (and elsewhere):

Pull Turbo Bar in while static flying = slow/power down (brakes..."depower")
Pull Turbo Bar in while mobile = speed/power up (brake tweak, power-up)

Seems to me just like a depower kite?

"Seems to me just like a depower kite? "

That seems to be the debate - and most will say something like it's not really depower, more like de-brake. The advertised "depower" is simply the power-line safety release.

Right... I was just basing that statement off of:
Pull Turbo Bar in while static flying = slow/power down (brakes..."depower")
Pull Turbo Bar in while mobile = speed/power up (brake tweak, power-up)

Personally, I don't care if it's brake or if it's actually "depowering" the kite but what matters is the end effect on the kite :D. If it's speeding/powering up when you're moving and slowing down when you're sitting there static, it seems like it's got some "depower" characteristics.

What an interesting setup to try. Just that review even makes me want to get one! And I only have 1 fixed bridal kite !LOL!

Man, why did I read this thread? Now i'm getting curious. If you pick one of these up lad, we'll have to get together so I can check it out (and vice versa if I pick one up).

I think my wind budget's been impacted too much recently.
I'm kind'a hoping Landro is coming to Wildwood and brings his along! :smug:

I went to get one of these from Ozone and on the order page it says the only payment method available is HSBC, and no place to put in any payment information. For those that got one, was this the case and if so how did you order it and more importantly how did you pay for it?

Just ordered one from Cobra kites. It was just slightly more expensive than the ozone site but I'm happy to pay a little more for a domestic seller. Plus their customer service (so far) has been top notch since the bar wasn't listed on their site.

Can't wait to give it a go with the Rages.....

:cool2: bump

still eager to hear how this performes

Hey All,
OK I have been using mine new turbo bar for ummm about 10 hours of use so far yes I love it Yes I think it is totally worth that cash! I know this doesn't help so I'll explain.

I have been using a home build cross over bar your years. Standard stuff here a best chicken loop flexi bar and ronstan pulleys at the corners of the bar. A line across the break leaders, which once thu the pulleys are attached to the power lines. It works well, I have about 4 settings for different kites. My cooper race kite does fairly well but to keep the kite in control there has to be some break pressure. This slows the kite down some. This bar in parts well I bought the best bar for a best kite but took the second chicken loop off and used it so.. 25 bucks say. The ronstan pulleys about 25 as well with tax. 10 for leader line (spectra) and 75 for the bar. Then about 30 for some other bits and a failed (broken) try. We are into 165 for the crossover bar.

The Ozone Turbo bar, was about 220 so 55 in the difference. Oh but the megatron Chicken loop is SO much better and safer! There are 3 pulleys, not 2. The bar is much better as well, more refined. There is also a 'red hat' safety release as well. All that for 55 bucks yup it is worth it.

What does it do. Well it DOES NOT ACT LIKE A DE-POWER system, well not really. It is just the same as applying some break pressure to handles, hmm try this, flying with the breaks lines a bit tight. The Razor like the breaks a bit tight. That bit of tension keeps the wind window a bit smaller and the kite a bit slower so on most points this is the way I used it, but for beating upwind. I have Carpal tunnel and keeping pressure on my wrists like that means numb fingers. The Turbo bar you just sheet the bar in like a de-power system and the breaks lines tighten producing a bit more grunt and less speed and smaller wind window ease it out and the breaks go slack and zip the kite takes off and flys faster with a bit less grunt and a wider wind window. In my case with out having much pressure on my wrists at all!

So lets go back to my Cooper, I had the break lines when using handles set with out much slack as this kite seemed to handle better that way to get the breaks slack I had to hold the handles so they pointed towards the kite a fair bit. And to land the kite in any more than a light wind took a bit of a pull on the breaks lines. The Turbo bar I have set so with the bar full toward the kite the break lines are loose quite loose the bar about a third toward me is about the 'normal handle' position or where the old made cross over bar was set. The bar fully in the kite is on the edge of back stalling and has lost much speed and power in light wind it does backstall. The upshot of all that is I have as much control with this bar as I did with handles. The Bar carries all the force on the harness, not my arms. There is a bit more bar pressure than my access have but not much. I feel much more confident the safety features of the bar than I do in my strop line system I have been using that when used sends a hunk of metal screaming under my nose.

The kite acts a bit like a de-power system in that the wind window expands and contracts and flight speed changes too. The wind window is fairly noticeable and speed is dramatic. The power isn't as much. Exactly as handles are so if you can say handles as you increase the break input powers and de-powers a kite I guess you can say that for the Turbo bar.

Incidentally the cooper 4.4 will turn so fast on the turbo bar that when doing loops one wing tip seems to be stationary. I have never managed to do that with handles and this kite it produces so much power in a loop that I can't keep up the break line tension and loose that sweet spot. The Turbo bar I did 5 one way in a row with out stopping then a quick reverse and 5 out the other way The spinning bar is also really nice to have.

I love the bar I thought it is totally worth the cash and solved MY troubles with handles. I can't say if any one else will find it the same as I do however some I am sure will say that 220 for the same control as a good set of handles and a well tuned strop is a debatable point I guess.
Alex

Ozone turbo bar breaks loose.

Turbo breaks pulled tight. By the way... This is with a Cooper 4.4 in 13 knots offshore using finger tips to control the kite. I can't do that with handles! :wee:

Oh this is my old homemade crossover bar version one and my girlfriend flying...

Thanx! Great review!
I'm in a quandary... :puzzled:
Like you, I have some medical conditions that using handles can aggravate.
But part of the appeal is the sheer workout I can get with handles.

If I convert all to effective, precise control bars or depowers...then my "kiting technique" be out of excuses. :embarrased:

Blame the wind. :dunno: The workout is similar but is more core, not so much on the arms.

eggselant reveiw

now all i have to do is convince the wife that A. we can afford this and B I will have to get two one for me and one for her

wish me luck:puzzled:

I got the bar about a week ago and have only managed to make it out once, but i flew it with my Rage 4.7 in 10-12 mph.

I agree with Kitedemon's review, great piece of kit. Not only does the kite turn faster, but it's more precise turning than with handles, which is difficult to explain without actually trying it. Since the power and breakes are more balanced on this bar (than handles), the kite handles with unreal precision.

Turning speed is easily as good as handles I actually think it's better. I was able to do pin-wheel turns (turning on the central, zero degree turn if you will) with the rage on the bar that are very tricky with handles (takes some good fore-arm strength in any decent wind).

I found it to have a slight 'depower' quality to it, but certainly not to the extent of a dynamic bridle. More-so than with handles though. I expect the effect will be magnified a bit once i get in the buggy with it (the only flying I've done with the bar was static, to many 'innocent' bystandards to get the buggy out.....)

Build quality is top notch. It's heavy duty in all respects but manages to be fairly light weight. One tiny little design thing that I really liked....retractable line keepers! Nice! (I don't have any other ozone kites so this may not be a big deal to other who fly ozone regurlarly...:dunno

Either way, it's a fair chunk of cash to part with for a bar, but I'm happy I did. Worth the money after just one flight.

Another sparkling review...maybe I now need to stop visiting this thread...I'm starting to feel like a guilty Starbucks customer chancing upon a Meth Lab...