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Not everyone likes to do things efficiently but, we do appreciate your opinion.

Surely you are not suggesting that if we don't buy you're gadget, we're not efficient in our line handling ?? That's bordering on insulting, dude.

greetings, gottcha some fancy gadgets .

where u kite?

Now this guy is an inventor! He should patent those real quick...

annes beach , islamorado? MKS?

typically i leave all my stuff hooked up. so lines won't tangle. pump, let it out, GO !

ever seen the turBo launcher ?

ok... my first reaction was man i could really use this on my old LF bar... How is this spam again?.... lol :eekdrull:


although i tried this once with some tennis racket tape from academy , it only lasted about 3 sessions before it fell off

I must be late to the party, what did I miss?

OK now it showed up:puzzled:

OK after 10 minutes got to the point, Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....I must be an odd ball, why take off your lines? :puzzled: Seems like a lot of work.... and they said my QR is to much hassle.

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Originally posted by RogueKiteboarding Patent-Pending Thanks

Good luck with that, after you spend a small fortune on the patent search see what the lawyers say about your idea. When you find out let us know.

Being a product designer I'm always open to giving feedback You could certainly make a 30 second video should you want to; it's a pretty simple product. I've seen designs like this before so I'm not sure what's new here, maybe the way your rings or that they fold in? Though for the product you have i like the fact that there's a water proof (presumably) pouch and a strap to keep things neat when on the bar.

I typically have a lot of sand on my lines so I would fear that the winding and unwinding process would be like sand paper on the lines. I also typically take my lines off. I've found that so long as the line ends are kept in order, it doesn't matter how the lines are wound. If the organized ends are easy to hook w/o tangles then once there is line pressure everything takes care of itself. A chip clip or barrette functionally works great for this, albeit not pretty.

Good luck!

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Originally posted by arkay I've found that so long as the line ends are kept in order, it doesn't matter how the lines are wound. If the organized ends are easy to hook w/o tangles then once there is line pressure everything takes care of itself. A chip clip or barrette functionally works great for this, albeit not pretty.

There's always "pretty" in a manly man way....the Molle-Lok



Sorry...couldn't resist.

ATB,
Sam

I dunno, if you can't manage to keep your lines from getting dicked up I can only wonder what else kite related you may be falling short on.

My worst line nightmare took me 2 hrs in 10f with winds blowing 20-30mph+. That was when I first started. Now, the same mess of lines wouldn't take me more that 10-15 minutes.

If you have to detangle everytime you set up, you're packing things wrong.

IMO.

It's not like he is on here pitching watches, shoes or designer hand bags. I am glad to know there is a product like this.

Bought some of that gel tape at a bike shop.Seems to be holding up well for me on my custom handles.
Not plugging him just letting others know where the gel tape is available at.

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Originally posted by dman It's not like he is on here pitching watches, shoes or designer hand bags. I am glad to know there is a product like this.

If you get a chance, though, buy up one of those "Coach" handbags at a cheap price, then when the S.O. notices the new kite, well look what I got for you! :singing:

I don't think its spam. Seems like a cool product if you ever need to fix torn material on your bar.

One suggestion I might add is to scotch tape the bar at the endpoint underneath the wrapping so if glue spills it spills on to scotch tape. Once all the wrapping glue firms up, you could probably easily pull the scotch tape out from under it knowing your bar has not been glued to the wrapping.

Getting you lines tangled is part of learning it makes us learn the hard way that if we pack up right, we should be able to unpack and go with one safety check through the lines.

I think RS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-s posts will fly if you change your style of presentation , look up FlexBoards posts. They are more of a "here's what we are doing guys ,and some of the issues involved, what do you think". I like to see new stuff if only for the mental exersize it provides , I don't want to hear a manufacture gush about his products... thats for us users to do.

I agree with Angus, if he wants to share an idea fine. If not than remove the part of the videos where he tells you all the items are at his website blah blah blah.
Good idea but poor judgment on selling his products.

I WOULD CALL IT SPAM.

There were pictures of this homemade line organizer on kiteforum a couple of years back. Been using it since; wonderful, never have to walk my lines out. Shown it to countless other kitesurfers, still haven't seen anyone else use something like this. Dunno, guess people like to walk their lines.

And on the bar.

EDIT: Just vinyl tubing zip tied onto a long piece of vinyl tubing, with a piece of bungee. I always have my right bottom line snap into the colored side. Attach lines before taking lines off the organizer, attach organizer to lines before taking off lines.

That kiteforum thread started at http://www.kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2316213 but the pics of the 2009 version are dead.

For another line organizer see http://kitelauncher.com/ , but I don't see any advantage of the one from the op or kitelauncher.

I wonder what aspect of it is patentable. Homemade line organizers and some commercial ones have been out for years.

Isn't there leverage on your hand(s) to keep the center line hole perpendicular to the depower line? This would be no matter where your hands are on the bar; you would have to constantly impart a twisting motion on the bar to keep the friction on the depower line at a minimum. Depends of course on the bar pressure your kite exerts.

I think a small strap handle, right in the center, would alleviate the problem of grabbing the center of the bar. And make it easier to grab the bar when it is far away from you.

Any other ideas to shoot down?

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Originally posted by RogueKiteboarding For quick launching and absolutely hassle free line management. This patent-pending line manager/winder will have you out in the water faster than ever possible. Ideal for small launch sites and/or crowded beaches. Completely eliminates all the hassles of having to walk and untangle kite lines before connecting to kite. Nothing will beat simply connecting your lines and handing it over to your buddy for a quick launch, all while simply walking out into the water as you unwind your bar resulting in perfect lines that are ready to go every time. No tangles, twists or spinning of the bar required!

Are you affiliated with these guys and their Line Crawler? http://www.kitelobster.com/shop/page/3?shop_param=
Seems that you expanded on this idea.

Ok I much prefer the design of the line crawler, much simpler.

Will stick to using fingers for now, though.

I'm not sure I see the value in any of the models in this thread. If you leave your lines attached, it doesn't matter how you figure 8 them around your bar as long as you are somewhat attentive the lines won't wrap in and out of each other and come off the bar no problem when letting out to launch.

If on the other hand you have a wicked rats nest, I can't see how any of the tools in this thread help as generally you have to detach all the lines and start pulling them through each other.

Maybe this is just a surfing thing?

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Originally posted by B-Roc Maybe this is just a surfing thing?

Yes, it is rare for folks to keep there lines on inflatables.

I have to move my bars from arc to arc so often have to walk mine. Like others have mentioned I am not inefficient at it because I pack up right. I have a feeling I could walk mine out faster than all the finicking I saw setting this rig up ?

Left rear pigtail larS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-s head on left center line, repeat with the RHS. Walk out your lines with the centers between your legs ... what tangles?

That thing looks like a noob-snare.

Although I have the original line-crawler ... and it comes in handy for untangling messes when other people drop their kites and swim in through a big ol' ball o' twine.

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Originally posted by B-Roc I'm not sure I see the value in any of the models in this thread. If you leave your lines attached, it doesn't matter how you figure 8 them around your bar as long as you are somewhat attentive the lines won't wrap in and out of each other and come off the bar no problem when letting out to launch. If on the other hand you have a wicked rats nest, I can't see how any of the tools in this thread help as generally you have to detach all the lines and start pulling them through each other. Maybe this is just a surfing thing?

Yes, a kite surfing thing. I rinse my bar off every time, and having the kite attached when doing that isn't as easy.

I love seeing crossover stuff from the bike world.

Heheheh "Noob Snare"