Anthonyshopguy, that story does sound familiar. I remember my first time building speed beyond my capability. I was riding with demoknight on a frozen montrose beach in chicago. I was using a 4m twister unhooked (thankfully or it would have been bad). Got going at a very good clip and had know idea what to do when I started to run out of room. I panicked, but luckily I could just let go of the kite which I did. I wasn't wearing kite killers and the lines ended up in such a mess that I had to do a line swap from another kite. an hour later of of sorting that out with frozen fingers, I was back riding. That was in the first few months of learning to kite. I actually haven't had any true lofty obe's. all mine were early on and usually I flipped the buggy on myself on my turns when I was less skilled. Not that I'm a pro now but I do have the fundamentals down.

One more time for safety's sake... The little bitty rollover at the end of this video broke my shoulder and had to be surgically repaired. Out of work for 5 mos. No OBE,but there are several ways to get seriously hurt without an OBE when traction kiting.

https://vimeo.com/16678110

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One more time for safety's sake... The little bitty rollover at the end of this video broke my shoulder and had to be surgically repaired. Out of work for 5 mos. No OBE,but there are several ways to get seriously hurt without an OBE when traction kiting. https://vimeo.com/16678110

Even though my pl probably flips easier, I see it a an advantage in a roll over being light weight. I definitely wouldn't want a heavy buggy coming down on me.

131 lbs worth of buggy, hotwired to my a$$! I was the only person left out there too. Had to pack up about 80 lbs of gear and pull it on the buggy 1.5 miles back to the truck. In shock,and with an arm that wouldn't work anymore. I just kept telling myself not to pass out,or the ghost crabs would eat my face off before someone found me in the morning. :barf:

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131 lbs worth of buggy, hotwired to my a$$! I was the only person left out there too. Had to pack up about 80 lbs of gear and pull it on the buggy 1.5 miles back to the truck. In shock,and with an arm that wouldn't work anymore. I just kept telling myself not to pass out,or the ghost crabs would eat my face off before someone found me in the morning. :barf:

Man, you could have been the character study for DiCaprio in The Revenant. :o

ghost crabs...the ultimate motivator

mOOms...i paddle...if the wind isnt cooperating and the bass arent running and all the chores are done

and yes a kite will serve in the yak as well

The wife and I also Kayak fish in the Chesapeake bay and atlantic ocean as well. I do carry a kite or two for when we hit a deserted beach,but not on the kayak. Too much gear to lose if we turtle. Never know what you will catch! https://vimeo.com/100173178

hi all and thanks for your OBE stories,not sure if they encourage a buggy virgin but glad to hear you can all look back and laugh about them now.

i white water kayak in a jackson playboat which i am going to take with me to the coast so can have some fun on and under the water while i am there! i did wonder if you could mix kayaks and kites,is there a name for it as i did look around before for it with no joy.would love to have a read up on it.

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hi all and thanks for your OBE stories,not sure if they encourage a buggy virgin but glad to hear you can all look back and laugh about them now. i white water kayak in a jackson playboat which i am going to take with me to the coast so can have some fun on and under the water while i am there! i did wonder if you could mix kayaks and kites,is there a name for it as i did look around before for it with no joy.would love to have a read up on it.

Man oh man mOOms If I ever make it over to England we got to get together. White water boater for over 35 years. My go to play boat is a little out of style but I love it. Dagger Outlaw. Just ran some wimpy class 3 two days ago. All this snow we're getting is slowly turning into water. I'm so I'm really conflicted darn waters coming up, DARN freshies on the Mesa What to do.

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Quote: Originally posted by m00ms   hi all and thanks for your OBE stories,not sure if they encourage a buggy virgin but glad to hear you can all look back and laugh about them now. i white water kayak in a jackson playboat which i am going to take with me to the coast so can have some fun on and under the water while i am there! i did wonder if you could mix kayaks and kites,is there a name for it as i did look around before for it with no joy.would love to have a read up on it. Man oh man mOOms If I ever make it over to England we got to get together. White water boater for over 35 years. My go to play boat is a little out of style but I love it. Dagger Outlaw. Just ran some wimpy class 3 two days ago. All this snow we're getting is slowly turning into water. I'm so I'm really conflicted darn waters coming up, DARN freshies on the Mesa What to do.

it does not matter if your boat is old or new as long as you enjoy it i paddle a jackson mon-star which i love to bits!

your area sounds amazing as for me i do not have natural white water close by but i do have artificial course called lee valley which was made for the 2012 olympics which is great fun,there is no gaps between the features so when you paddle you are on the go all the way down!!

hey all last week i brought a hq beamer 3m version 6 and have only flown it twice and didnt have any crashes but i have found a tear inside one of the top vents sadly.

i have spoken to the supplier and sent kite back for them to inspect but can i ask if anyone here could take a look at photos and give me there opinion on if i caused the damage somehow or not.

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really gutted as how many times i crashed both my 2m & 4m beamers whilst learning and they are fine and this one got damaged just doing short static flights,if supplier does not warrant it hopefully i can get it fixed somehow as i expect the 3m to be my buggy virginity kite!!

If you didn't crash it and don't remember doing anything out of the ordinary, I can't imagine how you could have damaged it. Hopefully they will cover it or try hq direct if not.

i will say i never blew up any ribs w/out shredding them up somewhat...my destruction is thorough and complete

Never blown out a cell, and I have had a few crashes LOL I bet I have 4 videos with a crash and relaunch ,while still moving in the buggy. Once on a kitebike! I'm thinking defect from factory. Does it look like a clean cut ? Like scissors make?

Hi and welcome.

I am not going to give advice. Others have done that already. So a quick hi and i hope rhe winds will be on your side.

Good luck

hi devoted and thanks yes i hope the winds behave for me and likewise for yourself.do you landboard then looking at your profile avatar?

not long for me to try buggy out!! one more week of work then i have 10 days off so i can go find some clean wind...cant wait.sadly still no word on my damaged hq 3m beamer so i might buy second hand 3m of some form if my beamer does not come back to me before my time off as i feel 3m is going to be my learner kite size.

hopefully not a silly question time... i take it my peter lynn buggy is fine on wet sand ie where tide has gone out?

Where is the beamer? maybe you could try using some sail tape or tear aid and tape the torn piece back in position. Looks like the inner cell wall tore loose? can't tell for sure.

the sand between the high and low tide marks is what its all about (hard pack) wave action compacts it
just pu a used 3m...youll need more than 1 someday

the beamer is back with the shop that supplied it,last time i spoke they were waiting to hear back from hq about it.annoying there are saying its impact damage as i did not crash it.whilst learning with my 2m &4m beamers same versions i crashed them so had i am suprised i did not damage those but the 3m i didnt crash it once.

thats good the wet tide sand is fine,i have not booked a lesson but thinking if i can find clean wind at start of time off then i will self teach my bugggy!

not long now till i get to break my buggy virginity!! what tyre pressures do people run on peter lynn comp. does somewhere around low 20s psi sound sensible start for a 15 stone idiot?

spoke to supplier of my 3m hq beamer and by all accounts its gone back to germany hq and once they receive it then a new one will be sent out to me

hey all i am going away to coast tomorrow for a couple of days to hopefully get some clean wind and try my buggy for first time.on friday wind is forecast at 14 mph and saturday 10 mph.

sadly my 3m beamer has not come back yet which leaves my kite options 2&4m hq beamers,really would of liked the 3m for first buggy attempt.

in 14 mph winds will my 2m move me in buggy or will 4m be to much to learn on?

both are worth a shot at launching and getting in the seat...err on the side of caution of course and start w/ the 2m if in doubt...no movement throw up the 4m
problem solved...have fun

be on the hardpak and you have a better chance to get going

that was my thinking as well putting the 2m up first and see.im not looking to break the land speed record this weekend but just be good to get buggy moving and get a feel for it.

ive checked tide times so going to get down there couple hours before low tide so i can explore and find somewhere out of the way and static fly until buggy time!!

looking forward to it and hoping to do well,sure in couple of days i will be on here saying how i got on and asking how do i do some thing questions! just set tyre pressures to low 20 psi,does that sound right for the wet sand where tide has gone out?

been and going to watch john holgates buggy video again,so thanks to john for your videos and to everyone here who has helped me along my way.

not wet sand...if its just wet sand you wont pbly move or bury the front tire and get ripped out of the bug...hardpack
waves gotta be hitting that beach and compressing that sand down...the skinnier the tire the harder the surface needs to be
i run mid/high teen air pressure w/ midi tires

glad i asked! i will wait for tide to go out then hopefully itll dry out so i can get out,going to try and find large grass area while i am down there that i can use while tide is in.

my buggy has standard size/width tyres so i will try different pressures and see which works best.

thanks again for your help and tips

how the f does this thread have 6254 views?

Thread views seem to run 20 - 30 times the number of posts.
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Each beach is unique. The harder packed the better. Softer sand will mean you will need more power to move. We can ride the damp stuff with barrow tires out West. Basically any part of the beach I can drive on is OK for my barrow tires.

Softer tires work better on the semi hard pack.

Basically, if your kite doesn't have enough power to make you scud a bit on the sand it won't have enough power to move you.

If you are flying underpowered and generally at 1st, don't worry about getting upwind right away. Just worry about traveling cross wind and setting up your turns right. Getting and staying upwind will come in good time . Beginners always want to point their buggy too much upwind / cross wind. Point the buggy around 45 degrees down wind when starting.

Keep tension on your front lines! When you make that 1st power stroke avoid shooting so far down wind that you lose tension in your lines. Instead cut cross / upwind with your buggy and fly the kite back up. Creating a sine wave ~ with you kite and to a lesser degree with your buggy.

A handy thing to make is a TOW ROPE for your buggy ( and the walk of shame ) . A simple rope with loops on each end to go over your foot pegs will work.

hey all tried buggy today but sadly beach was well boggy between tides,there was some dry patches and got moving using the 2m but soon as you hit boggy spots i stopped dead! i spent ages driving around trying to find a grass area but no joy.did manage to sine wave kite and do couple of turns but gutted couldnt spend longer in buggy.

real shame as wind was perfect and so clean unlike janky local conditions i have been flying in.so much better and more fun in clean wind.no kite just falling out of sky or window changing direction mid flight and i could park kite at various spots on window edge!

going to go to the area where the lessons are held next as at least i will able to have another go in buggy.

sadly i failed but did try!

Broke your cherry that's the important thing...tomorrow you will do better
Every time you even set up and pack up you get better at this sport