As the title asks it seems on their website they have awesome deals and everything like a 4.5m ace for $189 which is awesome price for the size of kite and it seems everyone on this forum has one or has atleast used one and i haven't heard any negative talk about them only possitve thought so the price can only ring one thing in my mind....there made very badley or the lines are terable or the handles are bad or something. i dont know im a complete noob still looking to get his 2nd power kite. could someone please inform me on their views of pansh kites.

thanks everyone :singing:

is THEIR actuall kite company and online shop www.panshkite.com or is that some kind of 2nd hand shop cause it seems cheap

The pansh discussion has definitely been beat to death online... From what I have gathered (i own a pansh ace 5m and love it) they are great kites for the price but definitely don't necessarily compare in quality. The handles/lines are just fine now, they had issues at the beginning but the lines are no problem. I jump with my ace and i've had it for a year, no issues. They don't necessarily come ready to go all the time. Sometimes you have to adjust the brakes. Also, they dont' come with instructions.

Anyways, that's my 2 cents.

This is a long running debate on these boards, i actually asked the same question about a month back... But the consensus is you get what you pay for...

If you can swing a name brand kite, buy it, you'll have more fun with it. But if you dont have the cash and this is your only option, well then its your only option.

People have said they are ok, but not great.

I own a pansh ace 6m and a legend 4.5m kite and both are excellent kites, they are inexpensive yes, and they do not compare to some of the higher price3d kites, but they are very much worth what you pay. in short, an awesome beater kite.

Just search this or any other kite forum and you will find thousands of posts about Pansh, kite quality, lines, handles, etc. They are a bargain company that many enjoy as their first or subsequent addition to their quiver. Many continue to enjoy and appreciate Pansh kites and others tastes change and they move on to other brands.

some of the Panshes (Legends in particular) perform well enough vs high end stuff. from what we've seen and done, i can say they take a good beating too. how many beatings or how long they will continue to perform well is anyone's guess. i've heard that some less expensive (and not so less expensive) kites have problems with bridle lines stretching. i haven't heard this about Pansh stuff.
we have 3 or 4 Aces and a couple Legends that do just fine in right conditions.
if your going serious hard kiting you'd better get some high end stuff. if your just want to learn what kiting is about they'll do fine.

My complaint with the pansh kites is the tendancy to bowtie. I get great lift with the Ace I own, and it has held up beautifully in n 25+ winds. Never had a problem with the quality, except the handles could be better. They would be the first thing I replace.

I would stick with the legend or the blaze. My ace falls out of the sky easly and if it powers up in the wrong part of the window it will spank you hard. It has tons of power but even the adjustments I have made didn't really help. My blaze is gentle stabe and relialble and my legend 3m has more lift and less stable than the blaze. The problem is no 2 kites of the same type are the same and often people will say the legend is more gentle and the blaze more lifty. I have my three but I won't buy any more.

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Originally posted by live2hover it has held up beautifully in n 25+ winds.

8m ace in 25+ winds= DAMN! :shocked2:

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Originally posted by f0rgiv3n Quote: Originally posted by live2hover it has held up beautifully in n 25+ winds. 8m ace in 25+ winds= DAMN! :shocked2:

YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN !!!

For a fixed bridle kite, I'd be trying to decide between 2 and 3m kites in those winds. But I'm only 225 lbs. :smug:

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Originally posted by f0rgiv3n Quote: Originally posted by live2hover it has held up beautifully in n 25+ winds. 8m ace in 25+ winds= DAMN! :shocked2:

When I read things like this I automatically assume that the wind speed is an estimate based on the weather report and not a wind meter held up at the flying site. Even flying an 8m Ace in an area where 25+ gusts were occurring is pretty damn crazy.

As for Pansh debate.....beaten too death. Search for old threads and read your heart out.

I'm not just throwing 25+ out there as an estimate. After a while it got worse and we toned it down to a 6m ace. McDuck got a video of one of our crew who had his shoes ripped off on this trip......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIIO1RzzDyA

Everyone askes......Yes he was ok.

This was a rookie mistake as we hadn't flown in such strong winds before and were more excited about the possibility of massive jumps then our personal safety. Since then I've learned a lesson or two about restraint. lol

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I know that taking my 6m Yakuza out in 25+ mph winds would be very stupid and end up in injury or even death. I am 240 and I wouldn't be able to hold down that much power. Perhaps the Ace you are flying just doesn't produce the same power as other 8 meter kites? Not sure??......but know that I surely wouldn't advise it at all and would be very nervous about anyone trying to launch an 8 meter fixed bridled foil in those wind conditions.

That's a lot of power, be careful and make sure you are wearing plenty of safety gear (helmet and lots of body armor).

WOW!!!! im glad you came to your senses!! you very easily could have died!!and i thought I was crazy....... about the pansh quality....... try flying a 5m pansh next to a good solid kite,say an ozone flow 5m and tell us how they compare--nevermind,i'll tell you.....it would be an absolute joke!!!NO COMPARISON!!! and the prices???? pansh 5m--about 175--ozone flow--about 450--proving,yet again that YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. BTW-that was a lovely superman impression in the vid--he's actually lucky--it could have been much worse

Yea, that was some serious wind. Gots to be other use's for these like launching jets off aircraft carriers or something.

I'll have to go back and look but this video looks like pansh handels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzoIeOVDINg&feature=fvw

It was there when i watched the above. Nutts!!!!

Anyway, We now have a 5m and 7m Ace. I've learned so much more by having these kites. The tweaks, understanding AR and AOA, power rings, low wind flying etc.

At some point you have to step up with something different to get a better understanding of all the things you read about. Just take it easy and learn your limits.

For just over 200 dollars I have two kites to learn from and compare others to. I also like to fly them because you have to do just that.

Pansh has got a lot of people into this sport and should get props for that. Personally, I didn't go that route because I knew this was something that I would be doing for a long time. If you know that this sport is something you will enjoy and want to stick with, then go for something a little higher in the food chain. Ozone Imp quattro, Beamer IV, PL hornet, PKD Brooza III, the list goes on.

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Originally posted by live2hover My complaint with the pansh kites is the tendancy to bowtie. I get great lift with the Ace I own, and it has held up beautifully in n 25+ winds. Never had a problem with the quality, except the handles could be better. They would be the first thing I replace.

one can cut down on the bowties by putting a linkline between the power bridles, right across between the spots where the kite end of your powerlines are larS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-s headed to the bridles. It causes a little drag. you want the link line to be a little shorter than the natural gap between the bridles in flight. doesn't stop the collapse that leads to the bowtie, just keeps it from doing a complete twist so you're more likely to be able to relaunch.

I used mine for a few months, then dismounted it as my skills had progressed to the point where I hardly ever had the kite start getting all collapsey on me.

and yeah my panshs have been fabulous value, but now my goto kite is a 6.5 blade. my 5m is in the UK with a friend, and my 8m gets out once in a while when the 6.5 won't let me get my feet off the ground.:wee:

edit: you should get a wind meter.... I'd be pretty surprised to hear you have had one, from your windspeed quotes, tbh.

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Originally posted by live2hover http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIIO1RzzDyA

LMAO!!!
I about died when i saw that... that was a sick roll, hahaha

Ha Ha,

Scudley had a very similar Superman the other day. He is a bit more ....... skilled :duh: ........ and flew his way out of it !

I can agree that we can thank Pansh for allowing many people to start kiting.

UNFORTUNATELY the way they go about it . Sell any size to anybody with no manual . They are also bringing in cheap stupid thrill seakers ! :alien:

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Originally posted by Bladerunner They are also bringing in cheap stupid thrill seakers ! :alien:

Awe C'mon Bladerunner.

Cheap and Stupid?

I don't think any of us could deny being a thrill seeker. Fixed bridal, De-power, large or small, board or buggy we are all seeking thrills and kiting is the modality in which we are able to satisfy ourselves.

I think Pansh has done some good in exposing people to the sport. I started out with a Pansh kite, and I was seeking thrills. But as I got more experienced, I realized that I could have more fun for longer periods of time if I flew smarter and a little less daring. I've since bought 3 additional kites 2 LEI's and PL synergy. I feel like I've moved on from Pansh but I am thankful that they were cheap enough to take the plunge.

That was a bit harsh but around here the kite crowd started out being somewhat older and a lot more safety oriented. Even then we had to battle for every beach. When gear was very expensive and hard to get there was a different attitude and a different crowd.

Someone who is going to buy a large kite that comes without even instructions because it is cheap and I don't want to waste time with a kite I'll grow out of ! You tell me what to call someone like that ?
What do you think of a company that feeds that mentality ?
Are they always doing us a favour bringing people who think that way into our sport ?

I'm just glad there was a $180 dollar kite I could buy to try out something that looked intensely fun. Because I sure wasn't going to spend $400+ on something I had only tried for half an hour.

I agree that they appeal to a different demographic, and this is not always a good thing. I admit that kiting near douchbags really sucks. Sorry you have to fight with those guys for good kiting spots. It's not something I've had to deal with here in AZ.

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Originally posted by live2hover Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner They are also bringing in cheap stupid thrill seakers ! :alien: Awe C'mon Bladerunner. Cheap and Stupid? I don't think any of us could deny being a thrill seeker. Fixed bridal, De-power, large or small, board or buggy we are all seeking thrills and kiting is the modality in which we are able to satisfy ourselves. I think Pansh has done some good in exposing people to the sport. I started out with a Pansh kite, and I was seeking thrills. But as I got more experienced, I realized that I could have more fun for longer periods of time if I flew smarter and a little less daring. I've since bought 3 additional kites 2 LEI's and PL synergy. I feel like I've moved on from Pansh but I am thankful that they were cheap enough to take the plunge.

well said blade runner!

Kiting is FUN. and that is 100% true. So if that is your logic as well, spend 400+ and you love your kite, at 180 you'll feel stupid once you see it disintegrate. IMHO

Our battle wasn't with each other it was with the City + Gov.
Banning us because of the perception we are dangerous.
A large kite in a newbies uninstructed hands IS DANGEROUS . Pansh supplies this.

It is a small world. A bad mistake in Arizona can be world wide news and used to ban us in othe locations !

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Originally posted by Bladerunner Our battle wasn't with each other it was with the City + Gov. Banning us because of the perception we are dangerous. A large kite in a newbies uninstructed hands IS DANGEROUS . Pansh supplies this. It is a small world. A bad mistake in Arizona can be world wide news and used to ban us in othe locations !

FOR THOSE NEWBS COMING INTO THE SPORT. YOU NEED TO THROW SOME RESPECT TOWARDS THOSE WHO'VE PRESERVED THE SPORT....BY RESPECTING OTHERS THAT USE THE SAME LOCATIONS IN DIFFERENT WAYS!!!

wow!... good points all around

This may be off topic, but i got into this sport on a 400 dollar kite... seemed worth it to me, and i, at the time, had only flown sport kites... course i got into car stereos with a 2500 dollar system, and drums with a 1000 dollar setup, and home theaters with a 4000 dollar setup.... i think back to carl's sig... go big or go home!

400 bones for a quality kite isnt a lot of money, even if you are flat a$$ broke from the rest of your hobbies

My point still remains, "Pansh kiter" doesn't inherantly mean "stupid kiter."

You can easily say that Pansh is more concerned about profits than the welfare of kiters because they don't provide manuals, instructions, or anything that would promote common sense.

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Originally posted by USA_Eli_A FOR THOSE NEWBS COMING INTO THE SPORT. YOU NEED TO THROW SOME RESPECT TOWARDS THOSE WHO'VE PRESERVED THE SPORT....BY RESPECTING OTHERS THAT USE THE SAME LOCATIONS IN DIFFERENT WAYS!!!

Agreed