Ha! Got you!! HA HA HA

Sorry, that was mean. So, now that I have your attention. When are these bad boys coming out? How are they gonna compare/contrast to other Arcs?

I am dying to know!!!

Who all has them on pre-order?!

.... That's not very nice....

Money in the bank ready to order a 15. They are supposed to be faster turning than synergy with double the power increase than there was between the Venom II and synergy. Pretty lofty claims but these are from guys and gals that have flown them.

My contemplation is whether to get a syn 15 or a charger 15. Is the extra dough/wait time worth it?

If those are the claims, they'll be well worth the wait if true (chargers) but the learning curve is quite a bit different than FBs IMHO (2 flights on my synergy, it's good but takes very different handling esp in big winds) so you should get started now on a syn and then get a charger later, you'll get more out of it then, and the syns won't lose their value too quickly, venom II kite only still good for $400, syns will always be a big step up from that.

And yes definitely the ticket for strong bumpy winds.

all from a fellow newbie, basically, so of course just my 0.02, hope it helps your thinking.

I've owned venom 13m and scorp 16m (and flown a phantom 15 and syn 10m) so i've definitely got the feel for the arcs. Just haven't ever flown a syn 15m so I'm not sure what to expect past the scorp :P . I'm hoping for a one kite quiver and that kinda requries better low end and better depower for high end. Hmmm So hard.

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Originally posted by f0rgiv3n My contemplation is whether to get a syn 15 or a charger 15. Is the extra dough/wait time worth it?

I am wondering the exact same thing. I got about $300 saved up and am gonna keep saving. I think I will start out with a Syn. They seem to have good reviews about being a great all around kite that a beginner (to depower) could learn on.

Lol yeah, I'm hoping that there will be more synergys on the market after people upgrade. I wouldn't mind cobbling up a nearly new synergy to go along with my scorpions

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Originally posted by f0rgiv3n I'm hoping for a one kite quiver and that kinda requries better low end and better depower for high end. Hmmm So hard.

yeah, i'm an idiot, shoulda looked at your avatar photo, that would've reminded me you've had them in the past...

but double the power increase sounds like it would have better low end as well?

yeah I'm curious about the reviews too... obviously...

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Originally posted by f0rgiv3n I've owned venom 13m and scorp 16m (and flown a phantom 15 and syn 10m) so i've definitely got the feel for the arcs. Just haven't ever flown a syn 15m so I'm not sure what to expect past the scorp :P . I'm hoping for a one kite quiver and that kinda requries better low end and better depower for high end. Hmmm So hard.

How is a Synergy gonna give you what you want better than your scorpian?

Although I really have enjoyed the scorp and it has really allowed me to stretch my landboarding legs quite far it just didn't suite the needs of my conditions. After flying the venom then moving to the scorp it obviously wasn't as much of a forgiving kite just because it's so INSANE! It doesn't munch the gusts as much as the venoms did because of how aggressive it was. I had too many bummer sessions where I left really frustrated because my winds were too off/on. The Scorp is one of the fastest and most aggressive arcs from what I have read and because of this it takes a little bit of finnessing to get it up. The times where I was trying to make something from nothing (crappy winds) were what I"m hoping to just get rid of.

I'm hoping the synergy/charger is easier to launch and perhaps more stable in those gusty conditions.

Long story, probably more than you needed to know... but the only way to explain it all :P

That was perfect. Exactly what I needed to hear . .. . Thanks :bigok:

check out dakitez web page, he has a link there to a video of a PL team rider talking about the charger... that vid will answer most if not all your ?'s

by the way, i think the chargers are available right now, its the navigator bar that isnt released yet

Where are you shopping? The only place I've seen Chargers listed is on http://www.ripsessionkiteboarding.com/ and that's both preorder and without a price listed.

What I understand is that the kites are ready for sale but not yet released pending final approval and manufacture of the new bar. Angus, Dakitez, and Rip (and others?) will have them on their sites when we can buy them.

Won't they probably be available across the pond before here?

it will not be long

Gunner and the USA Kitesurf TR are going to the Gorge next week to showcase them. ill be joining them hopefully for a few days.

i got myself a 10m and 15m. my Syn 15m got shipped off to OR for safe keeping. thx CSA_D

When I asked earlier this week if the Chargers were still on track for release in late September, Marijn backed down a bit, not wanting to jinx himself. But it's getting close.

Unless I move to the water, I will keep my Synergy for now. Gunnar says that the Charger flies slightly more inside the window than the Syn, so I will hang onto it for the upwind work in the bug.

Update pending release.

Good to hear the buzz going round!

Okay, what's up.
Right now we have the Core, Reactor II and the Charger coming from the same factory, and since both the Core and R II are doing better then expected sales-wise we had to bump up production for these which resulted in having to set back the Charger production a bit.
Right now we expect the Charger to become available end of October, and we'll release it together with the new Navigator bar because the new bar really compliments the kite and will take the Arc into 2010 standards.

But I say this with some hesitation, like Angus said, I don't want to jinx anything.

Good things take time...

There is a review on the kiteforum;
http://www.kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2359281&p=61130...
Done by Monkeyair, on the bottom of the page

:dunno:

I guess that's only another month.

Another MONTH!?! I think I'm gonna cry

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Originally posted by Maven454 Another MONTH!?! I think I'm gonna cry

It's ok... I'm already crying....

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Originally posted by f0rgiv3n Quote: Originally posted by Maven454 Another MONTH!?! I think I'm gonna cry It's ok... I'm already crying....

Shouldn't have sold off that Scorpion so fast ;-)

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Originally posted by ripsessionkites my Syn 15m got shipped off to OR for safe keeping. thx CSA_D

What Syn 15. I never saw a Syn 15. I thought you gave me a 1.4 Beamer. No wait wasn't that a PL banner?
:P

What color was it again?

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Originally posted by Maven454 Quote: Originally posted by f0rgiv3n Quote: Originally posted by Maven454 Another MONTH!?! I think I'm gonna cry It's ok... I'm already crying.... Shouldn't have sold off that Scorpion so fast ;-)

lol!! Touche hahaha.

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Originally posted by csa_deadon Quote: Originally posted by ripsessionkites my Syn 15m got shipped off to OR for safe keeping. thx CSA_D What Syn 15. I never saw a Syn 15. I thought you gave me a 1.4 Beamer. No wait wasn't that a PL banner? :P What color was it again?

LOL .... have fun! see you in a few weeks, extended weekends are great. finally getting all the hours of OT back in extra days off. ill be at Sunset more and get more practice buggy racing in.

end of October??? oh well, gives everyone more time to save now.

http://www.vliegerop.com/index.php?inhoud=producten&id=2...

looks like the charger is imminent!!!

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Originally posted by carltb http://www.vliegerop.com/index.php?inhoud=producten&id=2... looks like the charger is imminent!!!

I see the kite but NOT the Navigator bar?

I'm getting mixed messages about the bar.

Can anybody please explain exactly how the Navigator bar will allow me to get " the most " out of my Charger when compared to using my Twin Skin bar?

In my little mind the stiffer structure and VP3 are the key to the better handling more so than the bar.

:puzzled:

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Originally posted by ripsessionkites it will not be long Gunner and the USA Kitesurf TR are going to the Gorge next week to showcase them. ill be joining them hopefully for a few days.

Can you elaborate? I am just a couple hours up the Gorge and looking for and excuse to take a drive. When should I go to check it out?

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Originally posted by carltb http://www.vliegerop.com/index.php?inhoud=producten&id=2... looks like the charger is imminent!!!

Had trouble but it opened finally.