Well, while reading the Charger topic, I made an unfortunate, but need choice/discovery. The money I have been saving, isn't gonna cut it for a new 12m Charger.

What I figure is, for the price of the new RTF Charger, I could get a used RTF 12m Synergy, and a possible 18-19m KO older Arc and cover a much larger wind range.

I live in ABQ, NM so the winds are almost guaranteed gusty, so I assumed an Arc would be optimum. But if the HQ Neo's or Flysurfers are any good I might consider that too.

Opinions?

Thanks,
Brian

I think your on the right path on getting an arc I want one too

Flysurfers always seem to hold their value ... you'll be lucky to get a cheap one, even used ...
My thought is always that, at this level of the game, I'm such a noob that I wouldn't notice the difference between a Charger, a Synergy or a Venom

Kamikuza, you're still a noob even with all those kites you have pictured? Are you sure you should still be flying?

I hear yah on that one, I probably won't notice either.

Its also that I have been itching to get flying on something bigger for a while now, the Charger really lost its appeal about a week and a half ago and I have got to buy something!!!

So my first want is a 12m Synergy RTF. If i get that, can I use its lines and bar to fly a larger Arc too?

Not sure if any of the dealers have any good deals on some of the closeout Synergys? Let me know.

Brian

this is just my opinion, but why not buy a used LEI for around 350 or 400, i landboardboard in gusty inland conditions all the time and my 12 meter havoc just eats up the gusts and lulls for breakfast. My back yard is about 3 acres so when i fly directly behind the house the wind totally cuts off and she just sails through the dead wind to the other side where the wind turns back on. I bet you a million bucks any foil would shart in its pants in those conditions. Foils are for the sea breeze. Thats just how it is. Its how the cookie crumbles.

sound foil advice from a guy who just bought a Pansh Blaze....................................:duh::duh::duh:

arcs are awesome for inland gusties..............................Pulse and Pulse 2s are also very stable inland......................

Well I'm working on a 15m Syn deal, seems like a good kite since I dont have a ton of cash.

Seems to be the "1 kite-quiver" type kite from what I have heard and seen.

Plus I'm tired of having no float when that damn Twister II launches me

Brian

How big is your twister?

Same as yours power

Brian

If the wind stays with you while your in the air and you keep it right overhead, it's usually a nice landing. Otherwise not so much.

Yea I was flying in some nukin winds and got nicely yanked,
and was considering self preservation and forgot about the redirect

happened to me too. then I learned my lesson

im going to buy a blaze, whats wong with the blazeII? and by the way ill throw down cash money i got better kite skills than you. tridude take that crap some where else buddy, or atleast say it to a persons face and not behind your computer. makin my biceps twitch boy, ready throw them gloves on now

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Originally posted by Houston AirHead im going to buy a blaze, and by the way ill throw down cash money i got better kite skills than you. tridude take that crap some where else buddy, or atleast say it to a persons face and not behind your computer. makin my biceps twitch boy, ready throw them gloves on now

The one kite quiver has more skills, this i got to see!........aj

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Originally posted by action jackson The one kite quiver has more skills, this i got to see!........aj

I'm with aj on this one . Which is not to say anything about my skills .

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Originally posted by brplatz What I figure is, for the price of the new RTF Charger, I could get a used RTF 12m Synergy, and a possible 18-19m KO older Arc and cover a much larger wind range. Thanks, Brian

I realize you later said that you were going for a 15m Syn, but I still feel I should point this out. Larger arcs are really for heavier guys, not lower winds. There's some improvement on the bottom end with a larger arc, but not nearly what you get when foils go up in size.

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Originally posted by Houston AirHead im going to buy a blaze, whats wong with the blazeII? and by the way ill throw down cash money i got better kite skills than you. tridude take that crap some where else buddy, or atleast say it to a persons face and not behind your computer. makin my biceps twitch boy, ready throw them gloves on now

I think he's showing the irony of you putting down foils while getting yourself arguably the lowest quality depower foil on the market. I can vouch for both tridudes skills and knowledge of all type kites. I am sure I've learned more about kites and their flight from him than just about any other person except Angus. He's owned and flown a host of fixed bridle and depower foils, inflatables, and arcs. He's been there and done that and can make it happen on the beach or a grassy inland field. He also has a way of saying exactly what's on his mind. He DID use smiley faces.

the Syn 15 is the allround size, but there are some days, i'd like a 12m for the extra speed in turns.

if you bought a used Syn 15 with bars and lines you can use your 60cm bar on anything bigger or smaller. on smaller arcs it will turn faster.

lots of new (discounts going right now) / used Syn 12 still around, but no more NEW Syn 15m

with the neo II coming soon, you could get a wicked deal on the Neo I too.

Thanks for the advice guys, I am really feeling the Synergy 15m for a couple reasons.

I weigh in at bout 140ish pounds and plan on using it in some continuously gusty winds, also for a while it will be my only water and land kite, since we do have some lakes around here, but I havent had the time to drive out there.

Also with what rip said about the bar and line, it would be nice to have a set i could use on multiple kites, since the cash income of a high schooler isnt a whole lot.

Thanks
Brian

Not that I know much about arcs, but I would think a 15m would be a bit big for someone in your weight bracket. I could be very wrong though... Just the first thought that came to mind...

I weigh 150lb and I was trying to make the exact same decision (12m vs 15m Syn). I opted for the 12m. It didn't seem like the 15m had that much more low end (only 3 mph according to PL) and I decided that since it was my first arc that the 12 would be a little easier to handle. Also my focus with it is going to be snow and land so I should need less power. Its a tough call though.

Can anyone remind how an arc compares to a foil like a Frenzy, size wise? I'm hoping that the 12m is equal to about a 10m foil size wise.

probably more like an 8M

Akulakat / bigmikeskites has the last two Syn 15's. Check there if no used deals. Good choice down to about 8 mph for land use.

I hear you. I just secured my 15m Syn . I have NO regrets with this kite and am a firm believer in buying the model that proved itself last year . It wasn't exactly a one kite quiver but it has the jumping qualities I needed.

I'm still in line for a charger. I will go for a 19 if it truly can handle our low wind. If not it will be a 10 Charger .and a Silver Arrow. Unfortunately you will need something for both ends. Rip will have a 15m Charger so we can swap while I decide on that size.

Right now my 2.5 and 9m fixed bridles have been covering the outsides.

I think we need a Charger Silver Arrow

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Originally posted by snobdr probably more like an 8M

Maybe not even that. It's projected area is just over 7. That 12 has blistering turn speed though and that makes power.

Well the projected area of the 12m Syn is 7.4. The Frenzy is 7.1 for the 9m and 8.0 for the 11m.

So if its all about projected area it seems like the 12m Synergy should be between a 9 and 10m depower foil, shouldn't it?

The 12m Syn should match up pretty close with the Montana 9.5m in projected area but the 12m synergy probably has 10-15 knots more top end but misses 3-5 knots on low end to the 9.5m Montana. I compare to the Montana since that is where my experience is. I don't have more than an hour on a frenzy. The sweet spot for the syn 12 is going to be higher than the sweet spot on the 9-10m foil dp.

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The 12m Syn should match up pretty close with the Montana 9.5m in projected area but the 12m synergy probably has 10-15 knots more top end but misses 3-5 knots on low end to the 9.5m Montana

So like i said, compairable to an 8M