Just wondering how the synergys compare to the scorpions. Lift, steering, gust munching, auto-zenith, lift, handling, lift, set-up, lift, lift, etc.:singing:

I dont know, but I love my Syn, even though I accidentally ripped her.... sorry babe. :D

Brian

I think the big thing was Scorpion's were land based and Syn water. I've never flown the Syn's but love my Scorpion.

Scorps and Phannys both work on water and relaunch too but yes the Scorps are primarily land kites. Owned a 16 scorp/15 Syn.......................I give the 16 Scorp turn speed by a hair but the rest goes to the 15 Syn.....lift, stability, launch, relaunch........................................ all arcs auto zenith............

How often do the arcs even touch the ground during a flying session? I've heard that you can fly em for months and never have them touch the ground except for on takeoff and landing because of the autozenith...
Also, how bad is the scorp for relaunch on water?

tridude, its good to see you owning a Synergy again. And good that you haven't become a flysurfer only type guy. It's always about the kites with you.

how often they're on the ground depends on you..................auto zenith is not auto pilot.....Scorps come off the water but have a tendency to twist with their high AR (5.5 I believe) easier to get a Syn to taco off the leading edge, tug the main lines and shes off...................Ill always have an Arc in the quiver..........had the 10m Syn on the water Tues in 19 to 21 kts ,139x40 board and the kite did very well considering this is the bottom end of her power band...................

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Originally posted by tridude easier to get a Syn to taco off the leading edge, tug the main lines and shes off

What do you mean by this?

leading edge down relaunch, it's in the manual but i haven't made it work for me yet on the water, land only (with helpers LOL). pull the upwind rear line, it folds in half (taco) and falls over, pull the other rear line to open it up again and relaunch.

I flew my scorpion 16 for 3 strait hours and it didn't even touch the ground once. Stability is amazing

What were the conditions like? Gusty? How well does auto zenith perform in gusty conditions and does it overfly and then fall out of the sky?

Have a look on youtube, there's as many (if not more) Scorpions on the water as there are on land. I think it's only the high AR that gives them the 'land only' reputation ... apparently, they're well loved on the water

The Phantom has a higher AR at 6 IIRC

Kami-What do you think of your 13?

they don't tend to overshoot and fall out of the sky. The autozenith works well. They are great at eating up those gusts. soaking up the gusts while you are riding fast on land is awesome too. It doesn't allow you to get pulled over your board and on your face

Damn that sounds nice. What do you think is the wind range on land for the 16m?

I hear an arcumcision coming!

It just arrived last night ... I got it in the box in the car, I'm going to bugger off from work for a couple of hours and open it up and have a look :D

I'm 174pounds and I can get rolling at 12mph and have ridden up to 20 or 21 mph and that is without depowering down the internal straps

Wow that's like a one kite quiver. How is it like in the 20's?

I'm telling yah get the 15m Syn, There are 2 in the for sale section.

I hear they are much better at the launch then the scorps, IIRC which seem to be harder.

Brian

Awesome in the 20s but very powerful. I usually keep it tame if the winds get up that high. I tend to get out the 13 scorpion in those winds, but sometimes you don't want setup another kite. It'll take you so fast and high in the 20s, gotta be careful though. I've been lofted around 12 feet on accident in big gusts. Try to keep it mild till you get used to it. They have tons of depower though

... what do you make the extensions out of? And how thick?

my review from before:

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=10058&p...

I use 1/8" amsteel.............steering line leaders, pigtails off an inflato, etc......................If you cant get Amsteel over there shoot me your address and Ill send you a couple feet..............:duh::duh:

I've owned both a 16m scorpion and a 15m synergy. The only way I could really describe the difference between the two is "polish". The scorpion to me seems like a kite that they tried to throw as much lift into one kite that it ended up being a bit "twitchy". The scorpion doesn't absorb gusts as well but it still absorbs them like an Arc should just not as well as the synergy. Weirdest thing is my 15m synergy is faster than the 16m scorpion. I thought the scorpion was a fast kite for its size but then i got the synergy!! DANG :P .

Launching between the two the Synergy wins, hands down. This is where the problems existed for me and the scorpion, i had too many sessions where it wouldn't launch. It would either bowtie... invert... or a combo of the two lol. But once int he air it was fine, just launching is a learned art with the scorpion. I haven't had any issues with the synergy launching.

Lift -- the scorpion is a tad slower than the synergy but has the same amount of lift. The scorpion is extremely lifty but the synergy is faster so it makes up for it in speed . OH, and to me, the lift from the synergy is much smoother.

Ok, that's my 2 cents and my bias towards the synergy.

Problem is, $.

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Originally posted by tridude I use 1/8" amsteel.............steering line leaders, pigtails off an inflato, etc......................If you cant get Amsteel over there shoot me your address and Ill send you a couple feet..............:duh::duh:

Cheers dude

If we do, it'll be called some special Japanese name and measured in metric or worse some special Japanese method :rant: tried to buy 10 gauge wire for power mod to the bike once ...

Actually, the kite club has rolls of ... stuff ... that may be suitable. Problem is, now it's winter, coordinating a time when the shop will be open

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mx5alan/arcs/ARCsetup_FAQ.htm

let me know I can send some over..........above is the link with Scorp pigtail info............

I should just leave that page open in a tab and lock it I always seem to end up skimming through that ...

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My Scorpion stalls what is the problem/fix ? Answer: To stop the kite from stalling you need to add 20cm rear pigtail extensions when using the Zero7 or Zero4 bar set to the default settings. You then adjust the settings to the required rear line length depending on the wind speed you are flying in.

Says 20cm but the diagram shows 12 inches with is more like 30cm ... typo?