Which one is better for a 15m synergy? Pros/cons of each?

ive never had some but, ive heard q line is the best you can get. But ive never seen it available above #600 test.

I've used both. Both are good. Q line can be retied easily, kinda nice for adjusting lengths. Honestly, I don't notice any difference between the two (in terms of performance, durability). Sorting lines out off the bar is not an issue if you use an organizer (http://henry.sandi.net/staff/sbateman/lineorganizer.jpg) , so stiffness isn't really a factor.

PL lines are in blue and orange... colors of BSU :D Go Boise State University!!!

The Qline I have is thick and not the best on my smaller foils . I put it on my 9m Blade ( front only ) and it truly slows the kite down. Very loud singing at a low speed. I kept them on that kite but nothing smaller.
Another batch I have is older and all cracked ? Not sure I trust it ?

I love my Qline for mods and stuff due to no sleeving but I'm not sure I would chose it over regular P.L. lines + extensions if I had the choice ?

I have had a bunch of kites and a bunch of line sets
I have a set of Qpower on my 4.9m Blade 300#/200#
they are no doubt the best lines I have ever used..

Don't buy them to replace a good line set but if you need
a new set of lines Q-power is the way to go.. My $0.02

Dave

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Originally posted by Houston AirHead iBut ive never seen it available above #600 test.

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Nor is any other line that I know. FWIW, they claim that their strength ratings are very conservative.

Q-power should sing less than others and at a higher frequency, indicating less drag. It's cross section stays round under tension, whereas other lines can deform to a flat ribbon shape that will vibrate more and at a lower frequency, yielding a larger effective diameter.

The outer sheath is for protection only and does not contribute much to the overall strength, so some damage there should not necessarily a bad thing. Normally the outer sheath is woven so tight that sand cannot get in and abrade the inner core, like it can with regular unsheathed lines.

@Geokite-Definitely like that line sorter idea, I'll have to try it the next time I go out.
@Bladerunner-What pound test is your Q line? Sounds like other guys have mostly had good experiences with it. What is sleeving?

I'm not sure the LB rating of the stuff I got. Must me high because the stuff is thick. One batch ( old and cracked ) came on a used bar I bought. The other was in with a bunch of kites and gear I got from a garage / kite clear out.

Sleeves are the cover at the ends. Knotts without sleeving can be a weak spot . Qline is completely sleeved.

It is very good line. Please don't get that wrong. Just not sure it is my favorite ?

This is why I suggested you get a general opinion !

Angus,
If I a remember you had an excellent explanation of the different types of line ? Can you please link to that again ?

I figure i should take pic, gives me an excuse to open up my babies (vapors) I havent seen in awhile.


http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o7/ripsessionkites/Misc/P...

sleeving is material that goes over the line so you can tie a knot. if you didnt use sleeving, the breaking point would be at the point. most Dyneema / Spectra lines require sleeving. Q-Line doesnt not, but its also thicker.

The lines I use is Climax 190 / 90 daN ... 418lbs (Red) / 198lbs (Orange), i can even use this on from sizes from 2m to 16m.

Peter Lynn Arc Line

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o7/ripsessionkites/Misc/P...

sleeving is sewn

its 300kg / 300kg

I've never liked the ends of the pl lines. It always seems to me that the stitching will come apart and then ends seem frail and prone to kinks.

After 4 years and countless flights my Qpower lines
look like this......

Are you implying they are in perfect condition or are you going to post a pic?

.

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Originally posted by f0rgiv3n PL lines are in blue and orange... colors of BSU :D Go Boise State University!!!

I watched them play around thanksgiving, Those guys rock

Good thread, I am looking for a set of lines for my old 16m C kite. I was wondering what test I should get. Qline seems forgiving and retieable but PL stuff looks RTF. I am not exciting about tieing my own lines.

@dave brown-How thick is that Q line compared to the PL stuff?

I don't have any PL line so don't know

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Originally posted by acampbell Quote: Originally posted by Houston AirHead iBut ive never seen it available above #600 test. ???????????? "Nor is any other line that I know. FWIW, they claim that their strength ratings are very conservative." are you serious? Slingshot uses 800 pound test on their new bars. and if im not mistaken i think allot of the new ozone kite come with like 1100 pounds test lines

I use #600 Q power lines on all my fixed bridal kites ranging from 2m to 8m. Only slows the 2m down a tad, but I usually don't fly it in winds under 15mph anyway so it doesn't really come in to play past that. I love them! I totally trust them!

I have not flown the pl lines, I cannot comment on the pl lines.when I do the bar setup on my pl I will be using Q power lines!

Just wanted to put in my 2 pennies worth on the Q power lines!

do the Q...................:duh::duh:

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Originally posted by Houston AirHead Quote: Originally posted by acampbell Quote: Originally posted by Houston AirHead iBut ive never seen it available above #600 test. ???????????? "Nor is any other line that I know. FWIW, they claim that their strength ratings are very conservative." are you serious? Slingshot uses 800 pound test on their new bars. and if im not mistaken i think allot of the new ozone kite come with like 1100 pounds test lines Well there you go! I sit corrected. Not sure what the point would be besides added wear. Seems like carrying a lot of un-needed weight.

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Originally posted by power @dave brown-How thick is that Q line compared to the PL stuff?

Both PL and Q-Power are about 1/16" or about 1.5mm

Q-Power claims their diameter is effectively less because it will maintain it round cross section and not vibrate as much (which increases effective diameter)

Q-Powerline Pro is about 25% less - about 3/64" dia. for the same strength. I should also add that this stuff has near zero stretch and does not need to be pre-stretched.

I think I'll probably go for the Q. Thanks for all the help guys.

I flew the "Q" on water (salt/sand) and land for 10 months solid with no stretch, breaks, frays, etc..............awesome product.....................As Angus said just tie Fig 8) and go.......no sleeving required so in the unlikely case of a break, cut and retie............flew my Venoms, Scorp, Phantom, and Syn on the "Qs"......................great product.......................

Years later the Q-Power Line sleeving gets nicks and the unbraided strands poke thru. Dragging lines at the beach on LEI kites... New lines felt rubbery and when I stretched a set of lines one of the sleevings broke and exposed the unbraided strands which catch on everything like fine hair loops. Sleeving is less stretchy than the core spectra so it breaks first, which is a good thing, warning you the core line is next. So I wanted to try making OEM type lines and found this link: http://www.nwkite.com/forums/t-11649-0-asc-0.html

Bought 200yds of 800# from these guys: http://www.bhptackle.com/home.php?cat=46

Fidded, sewed, and stretched... very nice, OEM quality!

Wanted to share

Old thread, but a good one. Here is a blog I had regarding Q-Power lines compared to others. I really need to put up some new stuff on there....

http://kitethoughtsfromthefield.blogspot.com/2009/06/ok-this...

Hope this helps someone out.

the core and the sheath on Q-power lines are made of spectra
the sheath is a tightly woven spectra that is thick enough that it will not cut into itself when knots are tied. that is why people say spectra needs sheaths. Actually it is not true though. If you use figure eight knots it tightens on both sides of the knot so rubbing does not occur like it does on an over hand knot. an overhand knot reduces strength of the line by 50%.

the only line that truly needs a sheath is Kevlar line which will cut into itself.


Also, if you are using Q, it floats on water

Anyone know where I can get Q line