... the local hardware store has some trolley wheels on crappy steel hubs for like US$15 but the thing that interests me is that the hubs look about the size of landboard hubs but the tyres themselves look bigger by a couple of inches than my 8 inchers on the Kava ...

... worth buying one and trying to fit it or - is it a daft idea? :tumble:

No such thing as a daft idea.

Would it be a daft idea to take three little ships the wrong way across the ocean to fine india? Or maybe a new world?? :dunno:

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Originally posted by heliboy50 No such thing as a daft idea.

Just daft people :wink2:.

Ok so we let the daft people loose on the big fat tyres and the ATB hubs how easy is it to change tyres? Bicycle tools ok?

bicycle tools might help you get the tires off the steel hubs, but not onto the ATB hubs, you'll likely break the rims... Your board hubs should split into two halves... If the hub sizes aren't pretty close tire wobble will be a issue... I just spent quite a bit more money than $15 on big tyres for my ATB so I'll be curious to hear how yours turn out if you have a go!

Off hand, I would say maybe not. The trolley wheels probably aren't set up to spin particularly fast and you might smoke or lock them up depending on what they are using for bearings. Worst case scenario is that you damage your axles.

Been thinking about this since the two posts with Furb's new "Legacy" wheels. Finally id'ed them. They are GI Multi-Hubs. They used to support running the Bazookaz Street Tires, 8 inch/9 inch ATB tires and lastly 9 inch Sick Slick tires for hooligan riding on damp grass/loose sand.

9 inch tires might not see like a large jump at first blush, but they were considerably wider (within the boundaries of wheel bite/rub, though)

Although GI doesn't currently sell the Multi-Hub, Matt is checking to see if they have any Multi-Hubs and Sick Slicks hiding in the rafters.

GI also has a 5 spoke hub that isn't listed on their site that will accomodate larger tires.

Lastly, they are working on a spacer for the Terraintula that will allow it to accept larger tires.

For the UK, MBS has a tri-spoke that will accept a 9 inch, extra width tire (alas no slicks listed directly from MBS). Primo also has a 5 (I believe) spoke that fills that niche. One or two UK retailers are currently having fire sales on GI Multi-Hubs with or without Sick Slicks mounted on them. No shipping to the US though normal channels though :sniff: .

ATB,
Sam

UPDATE: Apparently GI still has some Multi-Hubs and Sick Slicks hiding in the rafters, sooooooo if you feel the need/want contact your local (or not so local) dealer. Hmmmm.... I wonder if I can get a commission ... or at least a t-shirt.... :singing:

... how about for my old Flexifoil Kava :D
I'd be pulling the tyres off the hubs - the hub are made of some crap metal and are probably too long anyway.

Going to say probably because I have seen the Kava listed before with 5 spoke tires running 230x65 tires (9.05in x 2.5in).

ATB,
Sam

Oh then I've already got 9 inchers! Before I go buying junk I should really measure ... stuff ... shouldn't I?

Could be.... I was just looking at a product page for the Kava. I always assumed it and the other Flexis ran 8's.... live and learn. Not sure how the width of the Sick Slicks compare to what's on the Kava. Will know soon enough....


Wish companies kept product archives... Burble. Definitely would help with legacy and x-hand purchases.

ATB,
Sam

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Originally posted by indigo_wolf Wish companies kept product archives... Burble. Definitely would help with legacy and x-hand purchases. ATB, Sam

How about the WayBackMachine?

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.flexifoil.com

The WBM is awesome, but in some cases it is hit or miss when you aren't 100% sure of the vintage of a product.

It's also too dependent on the underlying architecture of a website.

It handles static pages fine... but websites based on content management systems, database driven sites and links embedded in Flash content, there is a lot of choking, groaning metal, and chipmunks hurling themselves from great heights (Oh the humanity!!).

If the content is important enough to me, I figure it's a matter of fending for myself :sniff:

Still, it's nice to dare to dream.

ATB,
Sam

Who needs the wayback machine with Sam around???

OK, that's my teacher's pet moment of the day done with. :moon:

I had looked at the sick slicks earlier, but only found one site selling them, wonky page a year out of date... So imagined they were off the market, it's good to hear a few are still around. I think they might be a nice midstep between the big tires I have on the way and the normal ATB tires... By the big tires I mean the monster primos on the other thread:
( http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=12071 )

Two questions about the slicks:

Are they suited to running at low pressures? and they look significantly lighter than the monster primos... are they? Also do they need the multihubs?

(I won't be getting the multihubs from the other thread, just the vegas, so I'll have only those and the old crossairs to mix with... If I end up getting other hubs, I'd prefer getting the new crossairs, they seem as bomber as anything else out there)

I haven't gotten my kite and board put together yet, but the slicks look like fun...

BTW, I've been downhilling on the board with the trucks reversed, I bottom out occasionally but otherwise it works fine, and carving has been fine now that I'm starting to get a little speed going. So I'll be trying that with the big tires, which should eliminate the bottoming out and give me the extra clearance it sounds like I might need...

(sorry, totally disorganized post... )

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Originally posted by furbowski Who needs the wayback machine with Sam around???

Spontaneous combustion from embarrassment is still a possibility....Eeeeek.

Think Slicks are pretty much gone from most US dealers. I think they were a bit confused that I was asking about them. GI dealers can order them for you or calling GI directly will get you sorted.

Not sure whether the slicks are suited for low pressure. In some ways it's strange that minimum pressures aren't list, but I guess they don't know what kind of side pressure you are going to be putting on them, so it's easier to just skirt the whole liability tar pit and give a tire pressure that will insure the tires seat properly and completely on the hub.

I think the Slicks look lighter because the Primos have such agressive treads. I am not even sure how many plies the Slicks are... that would definitely be a major point.

Not sure how hard Primos are to get in the US.... don't see them much. Difficult to tell without any scale reference, but the MBS T2's look like they might be in the same league as the Primo's


I assume it is because there isn't a whole lot of variance in ATB tire sizes, but I wish sites would list them anyway... same with hubs and bearing (ID, OD, and width).

Pretty sure Slicks require Mult-Hubs or a similar hub due to the ID. Still need to post pictures of the Terraintulas, but got slammed at work.... might just be worth it to photo the full assortment of GI hubs and tires (Multi-Hub, Vegas , CrossAirs, Terraintulas, MAK, and Slicks).

As far as disorganized.... you should listen to some of my phone conversations.... especially sleep deprived.

EDIT: Hmmm.... just went back and looked at the Monster Primos.... are they 10' (or metric equiv)? Does the sidewall have a measurement on them?

ATB,
Sam

Contact the Street Slick master, he goes under the name of BG Surfer on surfingdirt.com. It is all he rides, he doesnt kite, that i am aware of, but he can probably tell you all about the tires. I know he has his tire pressure to a science.

Here is a link to him in action:

http://www.surfingdirt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1484

230x65 is IIRC what's printed on the side of the tyre ... 200x65 is what the Photon has and side by side, they're much smaller in appearance. The trolley tyres have only some weird numbers on them that make no sense to me

The Kava is a big, long and heavy board - 13 ply IIRC and around 13kg. I assume that's why it has such chunky wheels. I thought that if I could get some bigger fat ones on, I may be able to use it in softer sand beaches ... unless there's some way to adapt the RollEz balloon tyres but I don't see how, without a new axle

hey dirtdave thanks for the link... lots to be learned on that forum.

hope your ankles heal up OK and you get outta that wheelchair soon, that's some serious hardware there in the xrays!

EDIT: btw IW, that's where the backwards mounted truck thread is, 2nd page in on the main section of the forum... EDIT 2: OK silverfish... bit confusing though the GI trucks on my board seemed to be stock mounted for the shorter wheelbase / higher ground clearance / less wheel clearance combo, the occasional bottoming out with the longer wheelbase / lower ground clearance combo is with the GI logo facing into the deck, not facing out... wow weird honeycomb special there :o

Actually, I think I might have been reading about inverting trucks on Silverfish (mostly street boarding, but still interesting)... alas everytime I go back there I get distracted.



This alone was worth the price of admission to the SurfingDirt forum:
"High pressure in street slicks make them slippery as owl sh|t. "

Thanks for the link.

ATB,
Sam

i also have been thinking of cheaper alternatives to new tires...

how about this...

mix up some sort of epoxy-based rubber-tar mix or for lack of a better name. Somthing that would set quick... like within 20 minutes, pour some in a paint pan and start rolling coats over your tires ....

catchin my drift? anyone??? there got to be an easy mix rubber solution at homedepot or sears or where ever..

the idea is to build up coats pver the existing tread or whats left of it, my t3s are getting balder by the day but still have tons of tread on the walls of the tire. I would hate to have to let them go like that. Ill let yall know how it works out as i plan on geting the supplies within the next fews weeks

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Originally posted by furbowski wow weird honeycomb special there

Single piece street deck cut from a piece of aluminum billet with a water jet. I just find stuff like that sooo freakin' cool.

ATB,
Sam

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Originally posted by DirtDave1 Contact the Street Slick master, he goes under the name of BG Surfer on surfingdirt.com. It is all he rides, he doesnt kite, that i am aware of, but he can probably tell you all about the tires. I know he has his tire pressure to a science. Here is a link to him in action: http://www.surfingdirt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1484

Holy heck go the old guy! That's awesome

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Originally posted by Kamikuza Holy heck go the old guy! That's awesome

no kidding... He's an inspiration!

and "my karma ran over your dogma" ...priceless!

@ HAH, hope it works better than the fog machine trick.... IDK :puzzled: longevity and weight ????

lol, a little cross forum pollination going on. :D BG is a great guy and I'm sure he would be happy to share his experience.

Old Guy here. LOL

DirtDave tells me you are in search of cheap wide tires. Gotta help out some "true seekers."

What you are looking for is "8-3.00-4 smooth tires." My brand is Cheng Shin as they are easy to find here in the States. What they are is "riding mower tires." Dave at Ground Insustries seems to think he can get them for you if you want.

The max pressure rating for the Cheng Shin 8-3.00-4s is 30 psi -- for riding mowers. They work great on pavement and should float nicely over packed sand/wet sand.

For carving, I ride 33 psi front tires and 21 psi rear tires. I weigh 190 lb (86.4 kg). You will need tubes for 9-inch tires (MBS 9" tubes work well). The MBS Tri-spoke split hubs will accomodate the 8-3.0-4s nicely.

Would love to try a split hub with a little wider rim if anybody knows of one that will work on a 12 mm MB axle.

Just in case you have difficulty finding some, here are a few US suppliers:

http://www.pressureparts.com/MowerParts-C-MowerWheels-Pressure-Part-160-147.aspx

http://www.mowtownusa.com/m5_view_item.html?m5:item=160-147

http://www.smalltires.com/store.cfm?action=Products&subaction=detail&Id=43d3c17f-d607-436c-ab73-e43879146da6&StartRow=1&CategoryId=465 d0f76-c041-40ee-84c0-58e2fcc88dd2&Brand=09eaa647-6c70-4027-ace6-cb83cfff652c

Ride 8-3.00-4 streets slicks.
"It'll change your life... Swear to God."





http://www.surfingdirt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1323

Welcome to the inspirational old guy!
Might be able to get something similar here - I'll keep my eye out for that size. I think I'll just bite the bullet and buy a wheel and pull it to bits ...

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Originally posted by BgSurfer - OldGuy What you are looking for is "8-3.00-4 smooth tires." My brand is Cheng Shin as they are easy to find here in the States.

Apparently GI Sick Slicks = "Cheng Shin 8-3.00-4 smooth tires."

Whooda thunk. :o

4 plies, Max Pressure 30 PSI cold. First impression is that they are decidely wider than MAKs.

ATB,
Sam

One of the many, many kite store owners on here need to put together a "street slicks" package that is Wheels/Innertube/Hubs/Bearings and offer it for sale.hint hint

GI still has them, it is just not on their website.

You can order it as a set the same as the Vegas/Mak tire package. You will get
4 Multi-Hub hubs
4 Sick Slick (Cheng Shin 8-3.00-4) smooth tires."
4 9" tubes
8 12mm bearings

Everything will be assembled and the tubes filled to nominal pressue (just enough to hold everything on the hubs. When you get them, just mount, top off the air, and roll.

You can contact any of the GI dealers (perhaps a PKF dealer ) and place the order for the set through them. They will most likely be drop-shipped to you

I think Matt was surprised when I asked if they were still available. They were packaged and shipped within 24 hours.

Actually, I think my exact question was "How much interest would have to be shown, to bring the Multi-Hubs and "Sick Slicks". Well, as the Sick Slicks are the Cheng Shen's that BGSurfer referenced, they never really went away.

As far as the Multi-Hubs, they are available by request, but GI is also working on alternatives (see above). It wouldn't be that hard to imagine a updated Multi-Hub using the same fiber reinforced plastic that the 2010 CrossAirs use. That would just rock.

ATB,
Sam

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Originally posted by Kamikuza Welcome to the inspirational old guy! Might be able to get something similar here - I'll keep my eye out for that size. I think I'll just bite the bullet and buy a wheel and pull it to bits ...

bite that bullet yet?

:singing: