which one the Hq beamer III 3m or the Hq rush III 3m, which one is more stable and better for jumping.

I don't know why you expect us to give you advice, since you seem to be dead set on ignoring us...

The 3m Beamer will be easier to use, but both kites are very bad choices for jumping.

i was not ignoring you guys, because i am still asking questions and if a 3m kite will berely pick me off the ground then why is it so dangerous. ( I thought 2 line kites were easier to fly)

When a 2 line kite goes nose down on the ground, there is no easy way to relaunch it.

The problem is not that a 3m can't lift you off the ground. The problem is that, when the winds would allow it to pick you up, it will drop you like a rock. Do you really want to drop like a rock from 10, 15, or even 20 feet off the ground? If that's all you're really after, you might as well be jumping off of ledges. Everyone that I know of that enjoys kite jumping gets the most enjoyment out of hanging in the air like they're flying, not getting yanked (which is what it really is) into the air and then dropped to the ground.

what kite would you suggest (budget- around 275 dollars)
I have seen some good jumps with a 4m, nice landings.

The recommendation from everyone on here will be to buy that 3m Beamer, save up more money while getting plenty of practice just flying the Beamer, then go out and buy a kite more suited to jumping. None of us are going to recommend a good jumping kite to anyone who doesn't have plenty of experience already. Because when you hurt yourself (and it really is likely to be when, not if), you are causing problems, not just for yourself, but for the kiting community as a whole. And for almost everyone on here this is our hobby of choice, not the thrill of the month, so we don't want to see our reputation getting damaged by you looking for a new and more interesting way to hurt yourself.

Well said, Maven.

Joe: stick with basejumping if you want that much air. Leave kiting to the people who will respect our community and heed the advice of people who have done it before.

There you have it Joe. The answer you keep asking for is right there. Neither.

I personally don't understand your posts. You state that you base jump, ride motorcycles, rock climb....etc. These hobbies are VERY expensive. It does not make any since that you are pissing and moaning about a $275 budget. A base rig is thousands of dollars. Cams for climbing range from 50-150 for ONE PIECE of equipment! MotoCross motorcycles (especially 4 strokes) are very maintenance intensive and EXPENSIVE. I am unconvinced that you have done any of these things.

Other people in the skydiving/base/motocross/rock climbing community would not condone your lack of concern with safety. They would also not be trying to figure out how to only spend 250 bucks.

They would be concerned with what the right equipment for the task is.

You have now been told by the people that know that the equipment you are thinking about is not right.

If you are a true enthusiast of "extreme sports" you would understand this and wait to purchase the right thing. Otherwise you are just a poser.

U2U sent Joe...

I am not that rich to motocross or anything, and I really appreciate all of your help, ill probably go with the beamer. Sorry for being a @#$% after seeing some crashes I dont think I will go big until I get a nicer kite and some experience. Thanks

I think the "motocross" comment was some "bleed through" from another thread.

Let us know how you get on with the Beamer.

ATB,
Sam

you have chosen .... wisely!:bouncy:

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Originally posted by joe I am not that rich to motocross or anything, and I really appreciate all of your help, ill probably go with the beamer. Sorry for being a @#$% after seeing some crashes I dont think I will go big until I get a nicer kite and some experience. Thanks

wise choice!

many of the folks on here are first hand to injuries and that's with many hours of experience flying. With time and patience you will learn to fly just like you want. Just don't get discouraged keep the stoke alive and you will get there.

Shaggs

I have a beamer and it is a great kite. I think you will do well flying it for a while and continuing to ask questions on this forum. I am VERY new to kiting and have learned so much from the people on this forum. They are here to help you if you will listen to them.

Please take there advise. As with all sports you will be best served by starting slow and working your way towards the fun stuff! Hopefully some day we will both be soaring high!

Edit sorry i took too long to post and all of it was already said

so basically if the winds are really wild thats when your kite folds up, or is it just a weak size.

Not trying to upset you Joe but what happens to you affects the whole community. So, yeah we are protective of you and what we do. A 3m really can hurt you, pick you up high and slam you down, but you are less likely to get hurt on it than a bigger size. Once you progress in your skills you can get huge air with different kites. Good luck and be safe

yes I know that it is a dangerous sport and 3m are not for jumping, but do they fold up that easily or fail when you jump?

Hey Joe look in the upper right hand corner of the screen where it says "U2U" and click there, I sent you a mesage.

EDIT: Not sure if you read it or not before I posted this, sorry for any confusion.

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Originally posted by joe yes I know that it is a dangerous sport and 3m are not for jumping, but do they fold up that easily or fail when you jump?

Its not that they fold up, they just don't have the surface area to slow down your decent, also smaller kites are a lot quicker in high wind so they will yank you up, then fly out of the wind window and drop ya before you can say "CrapI'mflying":shocked2:.

This is what I meen by "wind window".

Hey bud,

Welcome to kitesports.

I kinda get where you are coming from - you want a kite you can learn with but that will not hold you back as you get better right?

I think a beamer is a great kite for your first couple of sessions but if you are serious about wanting to learn to jump etc you are gonna feel you have a whole new animal in your hands when you step up to something higher performance.

I would buy a small Peter Lynn Twister or Flexifoil Blade - these are quality high lift kites that will set you up nicely for moving on to larger sizes if you fly them in light winds.

Then when you get experienced enough to get a bigger kite your small kite will become the one you use in stronger winds.

Forget having one kite - aint gonna happen. You are deciding on your FIRST kite

I didn't read through all the replies here as I'm quite sure everyone here has good advice.

First, yes 3m kites can pick you up and give you huge air if you want to, BUT; only in high winds and since a 3m is quite small it WILL NOT give you a lot of float so your landings will be quite ROUGH. (or drop you like a brick when you steer incorrect)
Second, a two line kite has the potential to give you about as much air as a 4 line when you know how to BUT; you have way less control.

I can understand the desire to jump, we all know nothing gets your hart pumping like a good jump, but key here (again) is size.
generally I would advise the so called "noob" to get a trainer first to get accustomed to the windwindow (props to willard) and windspeeds and then to progress onto something more potent (leaving the trainer as a high wind tool, or something you can use to get your friends stoked).
For jumping I would advise at least 3 but better 4m (non depower) as 3 or 4m is the least you can get some decent float out of and float is what you need jumping higher then say two or three feet to save you ancles, knees and other body parts.
Bigger kite more float!
Also, read the manual of the kite you get, and make darn sure you take it out the first couple of times in its lowest windrange (windrange should be in the manual), just to get to know the kite.
My first (stupid) powerkite experience was with a 3,5m in about 20 to 25 knots, the second I got it off the ground it yanked me in the air, 10 feet up and at least 50 feet downwind (still 10 feet up!), out of control and landing in the Norhtsea in january (cold and NOT cool) scared the crap out of me, and since then I respect what a powerkite CAN do.

I guess what I'm saying is; respect the awesome force of nature that wind is, and know that even a 1m POWERkite can get you in trouble when used out of its intended range.
These kites are not called "power" kites because it sounds cool.
Know what you're doing, do it responsibly and you should have a fantastic new hobby (or should I say addiction :spin

Enjoy.