Bare with me on this one, I was born with rigid knees meaning they are permanently fixed in a straight position and I wondered whether it would be
essential for me that I am able to steer a buggy via the foot pegs should I start looking into kite buggying.
You could have some level of turning by pivoting at your hips but it would be much diminished from what a bending knee could create. Some ingenuity
could find a workaround for you.
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This may not be so much of a dead end as I originally thought after I noticed the steerable front wheel.
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Originally posted by BeamerBob
Some ingenuity could find a workaround for you.
The more I think about, the more I'm kinda hooked on the idea that somehow with help from an experienced buggy kiter I may be able to come up with an
idea that would make it work.
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Originally posted by BeamerBob
You could have some level of turning by pivoting at your hips
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Originally posted by Maven454
I was thinking straightening the ankles (pointing the toes).
I was wondering... If straightening the toes, or a combination of movement of the ankle back and forth together with pivoting of the hips would
provide enough steerability, that could be mission accomplished
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Originally posted by Maven454
Though I suppose there's always the crab buggy design, might be able to make that where the knees don't have to bend?
Never seen one of those till you mentioned it, that could provide a different and interesting work around too.
it has also given me another idea, - - - LOL I said bare with me on this one...!
What would happen if you to modify the conventional buggy and reverse it so the front and steerable wheel becomes a back wheel similar to that of a
tail-dragging aircraft? (it would be free to turn depending on which way force of the kite is pulling
additionally it might be possible to devise some pedals operated by the back and forth movement of the ankle attached to push-rods that steer the (now
converted back wheel?
The Crab buggy is a Rockin' idea but the designer is in Mexico.
I think that with the Hip toe combo you will get an amazing amount of travel on your typical front fork.
There isn't too much else holding you back? Is there anyplace you can go to meet up and see how a typical buggy would fit ?
Dirtslide has added sort of a hammock to support his legs as he rests on the pegs. He is working back from a back injury and has been buggying with
much less that locked knees. You should try and get ahold of him.
yorkie, I have a friend with the same thing as you. We have been trying out the buggy thing also. Tandem rides work well.
The turning with the toes is the problem, to hard to keep the toes on the bar, not enough movement(turns are way to wide to be safe, the
statement-give me 40 acres to turn this thing around, has been said a number of times)
I don't want to hinder your desire, but William is now enjoying blokarts.
Hand steering and no need for the feet.
If you work something out with a buggy, Please let me know how it works, I would love to pass on the info.
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Originally posted by bigkid
yorkie, I have a friend with the same thing as you. We have been trying out the buggy thing also. Tandem rides work well.
The turning with the toes is the problem, to hard to keep the toes on
The first thing that came to my mind when BigKid mentioned the problem keeping the toes on the pegs was perhaps an extension to footwear or pedal of
some sort, heel straps may be the answer to the problem of keeping toes on the pegs.
bigkid
Thanks very much for the info, I'm still eager to at least have a look at a buggy and see if I can find a work around. My gut feeling is that there
must be a away around the problem even if it takes modifying the buggy a little bit somehow and if I find a way around it I'll definitely let you know
about it
Most buggys have some sort of bolt on peg for the feet. The trick would be to design a heal strap as the the rip stated above, but not to rest the
foot but allow it to swing forward and backward.
To bad hand controls for the car can't be moved to the buggy.
You could also modify your shoes to incorporate a clip/catch on the toes to hang your feet on the peg, would help to keep them on the buggy. Just
thinking out loud, might be fun to work out the problem and find a solution:bigok:
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A few other less flown oddballs,
Line sets from 10" to 328" or 2m to 100m.
worlds only AQR that works.
North American distributor for PKD.
"Kite Bugging is not an addiction until you try to quit".
Viper Parakart had a buggy design for people in wheelchairs. It had hand steering and braces to keep your feet/legs from falling off. In combination
with modern depower kits(bar /not handle for one handed control) I see nothing standing in your way. I will try to find a link to the buggy and will
post it here.
The only thing standing between you and bugging is you yourself.
I have ever seen videos of people buggying with a modified wheelchair.
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Originally posted by yorkieflyer
Sam.. I reckon that would definitely work!!
it has also given me another idea, - - - LOL I said bare with me on this one...!
What would happen if you to modify the conventional buggy and reverse it so the front and steerable wheel becomes a back wheel similar to that of a
tail-dragging aircraft? (it would be free to turn depending on which way force of the kite is pulling
additionally it might be possible to devise some pedals operated by the back and forth movement of the ankle attached to push-rods that steer the (now
converted back wheel?
In order to sail across and upwind, you actually have to steer against the kite's pull. Being pulled in the direction of the kite will only chase the
kite and slack the lines, and that never ends well.
But there are other good ideas here and it sounds like you will work it out. Good luck!
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I like it when the wheels start turning, shows the world some of us has a brain that don't want to be front row at CNN;-)
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Flexboardz. Blokarts.
PKD Century Soulflys. NPW's. Nasa Stars.
A few other less flown oddballs,
Line sets from 10" to 328" or 2m to 100m.
worlds only AQR that works.
North American distributor for PKD.
"Kite Bugging is not an addiction until you try to quit".
Wow folks, thanks for all the ideas!! Really appreciated as Its difficult at the moment for me to come up with any substantial ideas as I have yet to
have a close look at a buggy.
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Originally posted by Krohn1999
Viper Parakart had a buggy design for people in wheelchairs. It had hand steering and braces to keep your feet/legs from falling off.
This looks like a fantastic system, I really need to check those out!
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Originally posted by Krohn1999
In combination with modern depower kits(bar /not handle for one handed control)
Oh cool , I didn't realise that one hand control would be possible to control the kite, in that case those three wheeled racing wheelchairs have a
catch which after the operator has set the wheel for the turn, the wheel stays in place. There must be a way to incorporate that system to the buggy.
Off road bike peddles? Shorten the foot peg and attach the peddle to the end then steer with you toes.
\"Well we are all hurtling around in 3 wheeled, tip over prone, non crash tested vehicles with no brakes that we steer with our feet. Just
sayin\'.....\" --heliboy50
Originally posted by WIllardTheGrey
Off road bike peddles? Shorten the foot peg and attach the peddle to the end then steer with you toes.
We tried these and not enough movement from the ball of your foot, got to get to the toe to get the most out of turning.
Yorkie will be better off with a depower on a bar. Handles will require 2 hands and nothing to steer with. Good find Krohn.
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Flexboardz. Blokarts.
PKD Century Soulflys. NPW's. Nasa Stars.
A few other less flown oddballs,
Line sets from 10" to 328" or 2m to 100m.
worlds only AQR that works.
North American distributor for PKD.
"Kite Bugging is not an addiction until you try to quit".
Once again thankyou for all the feedback... soo much appreciated!!
Definitley worth persuing that Parakart I think, I agree A fantastic find!! and I think after all the positive feedback from here, it might now be
worth finding a store with buggys in stock and sitting in it to asses my situation - that way I'll be able to see where I'm at
I wish I could find the pictures that I know are on here of Dirtslides sling things ? I can't even remember what he made them from ? He had them so
his legs wouldn't drop out but I have a feeling that combined with the right strap these things may help.
Your right Big Kid. When Dirtslide and I rode it was on the dry lake but he had his turns down pretty tight ?
Maybe rudder pedals like in an aircraft attached to the goose neck with heel straps and linkage to steer the fork off the top of the pedals. This
could be at the top of the steering head. No pegs at all.
Shame I'm too far away with little time as it would be a great project.
Originally posted by arkay
what about how k1 has his buggy setup... if you fly with a bar then you can even use your hands to stear a bit...
YUP, K1 is D'sliddy AKA Dirtslide.
I haven't seen or heard from him since he went in to have hardware removed a few months ago. Ken has put a lot of thought into this. His input would
be good.
Dirtslide's leg baskets are basketball nets. He and I designed the system. We first thought heel straps but they require more strength to keep you
feet in than Ken was confident of being able to provide. We considered butchering some clipless bike pedals, but worried that if they were tight
enough to keep his feet on, would they release in an OBE. In the end we chose the net slings. The top of the net is zap strapped to the foot pegs,
the bottom is held up by a rope that goes through two pulleys, attached to the rear axle, and on to the other net. The pulleys provide constant
tension as you turn the wheels so the nets do not sag. Pulleys are fixed to the axle on either side of the seat to allow the rope clear passage under
the buggy seat. In addition to the nets to prevent his legs from dropping there DS uses bungee toe straps to prevent his feet from flying up out of
the nets.
DS's knees are not locked. He can steer using using his hip muscles. The system he uses also allows him to steer by pulling back with his better leg
while pushing with his weak leg. I think ankle movement alone would not provide enough range to steer the buggy.
For hand steering you will need to be able drive with no hands for brief periods. This could be done by setting up the steering so the wheel is
reasonably self centering. Even with a bar there are times when two free hands are useful.
An option for complete paras would be tandem buggies: one person steers the other flies.
Is it possible to design for strength, if the designer doesn't really understand what strength is?
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Yes I never stressed that K1 doesn't have locked knees.
Interesting to think about how everything would work out with only the back person in the tandem pushing the rig? The closest I have seen is tanden
flying in a tandem buggy. Turns could get entertaining ! :Ange09:
It is ever so slightly discouraging to hear you suggest the hammock set up would not be the best sollution. I had some doubts but no one has a better
idea of how it work than you and of course D'sliddy !
My little Flexi hybrid sure doesn't require a TON of travel to set up a good tight turn ?
One thing scaring me ? G.B. is kite crazy. If you can't find local flyers and a local shop is it possible there isn't a decent spot anyplace close to
you ? :shocked2: ?
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