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NJLandboarder
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still looking5m kite or bigger wanted! looking for a BEGO maybe a pansh
im looking for a kite thats bigger than 5m but im not looking to spend more then $150 becasue i am on a budget because i dont have a job because im 14
i turn 15 on the 20th so ill be getting some cash but my parents dont like me spending money on kites they think im wasting my time even though my mom
doesnt think its a waste of time that my dad is buying a building a blokart i probably wont be able to pay by paypal or credit card but i can pay by
money order also i live in new jersey so factor in shipping
panshes, hq,pl pretty much anythign that fits my standards =] :wee:
Kites:
T-foil Trainer
HQ beamer 2m
Pansh Ace 5m (1st edition extra lifty)
Peter Lynn Venom 10m
Rides:
K2 Snowboard-K2 auto bindings-DC boots
GI Prodigy 2010 Gold and Black Vegas hubs
Wants:
A Machine that makes wind
Wind is like a drug: many people are addicted to it, too much of it and you could end up dead or in the hospital, too little of it and you\'ll go
crazy, and just the right amount makes for a good time.
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brplatz
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That was one hell of a run on sentence. :D But I am sure you will find someone that has a kite for you.
Punctuation and grammar isn't only for school.:D
Brian
What I Fly:
-HQ Beamer IV 3.0M(Stolen)
-Peter Lynn Twister II 4.1M
-Peter Lynn Synergy 15M
What I Ride:
-G.I. Prodigy 90
-Rossignol Snowboard
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... should I sell him my 12m Ace for $100?
Yeah... I got a kite. Or two...
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NJLandboarder
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life is short i dont see why not
Kites:
T-foil Trainer
HQ beamer 2m
Pansh Ace 5m (1st edition extra lifty)
Peter Lynn Venom 10m
Rides:
K2 Snowboard-K2 auto bindings-DC boots
GI Prodigy 2010 Gold and Black Vegas hubs
Wants:
A Machine that makes wind
Wind is like a drug: many people are addicted to it, too much of it and you could end up dead or in the hospital, too little of it and you\'ll go
crazy, and just the right amount makes for a good time.
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NJLandboarder
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also i dont believe in periods are any form of puntuation;-)
Kites:
T-foil Trainer
HQ beamer 2m
Pansh Ace 5m (1st edition extra lifty)
Peter Lynn Venom 10m
Rides:
K2 Snowboard-K2 auto bindings-DC boots
GI Prodigy 2010 Gold and Black Vegas hubs
Wants:
A Machine that makes wind
Wind is like a drug: many people are addicted to it, too much of it and you could end up dead or in the hospital, too little of it and you\'ll go
crazy, and just the right amount makes for a good time.
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Bladerunner
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So many thing make me uneasy here.
On the one hand your Father is a wind enthusiast and yet you say that he thinks buying a power kite is a waiste of money ? Can you explain that ? Most
of the parents I know are thrilled to see there kid saving for kites . Most of the fathers I know that love the wind would be thrilled to see their
Son getting addicted to the wind over the other things out there these days ?
Looking for a 1st real kite - over 5m - for $150 - complete - shipped is ASKING FOR TROUBLE !!!!!!! You will either get a ragged out kite or one with
issues of some sort.
You are so desperate for a big kite you are likely to say yes to a kite with issues. Pansh is top on your list !
I was in your position at your age when I took up snow skiing and my folks could only afford to keep me in hockey. They couldn't understand why the
old skis and boots from the 60's they got in a garage sale were holding me back. You will have to do what I did . Mow lawns, rake leaves soon ( shovel
sidewalks for me ) and whatever you can find. OLD people love to have a yard boy if you look for them ! I bought a good used set of K2 skiis and new (
last years model ) boots and I was FLYING !
Take some more time and buy a QUALITY used kite. Use some initiative and you can get some money for hard work ! Even at 15 !It will serve you and
resell much better.
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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NJLandboarder
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i mow my lawn and down live in an area where anybody else but my parents would pay me to do work and i dont know if my dad doesnt want me to buy and
expensive kite but then i asked them if i could buy pansh blaze off ebay for 150 my mom flipped out and said im not alowed to buy any more kites she
thinks stunt kites are the same thing as power kites my dad flipped out with her but if i ask me dad alone my dad says i have to save my money he is
the one who ordered my new landboard from dakites for me.....and trust me i wont buy beat up kite i was looking to buy somthing like a beamer or pl
rebble 5m and i know the same story with you skis i do photography and i had to save up and buy my own slr i spend over 1200 on it and a lense
Kites:
T-foil Trainer
HQ beamer 2m
Pansh Ace 5m (1st edition extra lifty)
Peter Lynn Venom 10m
Rides:
K2 Snowboard-K2 auto bindings-DC boots
GI Prodigy 2010 Gold and Black Vegas hubs
Wants:
A Machine that makes wind
Wind is like a drug: many people are addicted to it, too much of it and you could end up dead or in the hospital, too little of it and you\'ll go
crazy, and just the right amount makes for a good time.
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furbowski
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a little patience and a little politics and you will get what you want.
now don't be thinking that in a just a few years you'll be done with all the parental management issues....
Your dad sounds cool.
You'll want to learn to ride that board b4 mixing it up with the kite.
Also have you given a thought to safety gear? Helmet, impact shorts, elbow and knee pads, at minimum. that's a few bucks there.
With the right attitude you'll get lot of help from here, but you'll need to figure out what that is.... You're on the right track there though with
your answers to BR's concerns.
fixed bridles, flying static, been two years now... ??? folks must be wondering....
sting 1.7, dp power 2.5, crossfire 3.2, ace 5, blade iv 6.5, ace 8, ace 12...
also a couple of arcs, 12 syn and 12 phanny, but i\'m not yet up to speed on them.
(13.11.09)
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Bladerunner
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It sucks being 15 at times.
I'm very happy to hear you get the message about holding out for quality. Even in the used market.
Good luck !
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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gemini6kl
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hey there dont bash pansh kites i own one and they are just as good as the rest of expensive kites ,, a new 7m pansh depower is 250 so i would think
150 for a used one is reasonable dosent mean its beat up or there is sumthin wrong with it . not everyone can afford a 1200 dollar ozone or
flysurfer. i took a chance on a pansh blaze II a few months back and didnt have any problems with it, it flys just like the rest and the material
is almost the same with slight differences between the other kites i own.just my opinon. ..
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NJLandboarder
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i like your thoughts gemini thats what ive been waiting for somone to say
Kites:
T-foil Trainer
HQ beamer 2m
Pansh Ace 5m (1st edition extra lifty)
Peter Lynn Venom 10m
Rides:
K2 Snowboard-K2 auto bindings-DC boots
GI Prodigy 2010 Gold and Black Vegas hubs
Wants:
A Machine that makes wind
Wind is like a drug: many people are addicted to it, too much of it and you could end up dead or in the hospital, too little of it and you\'ll go
crazy, and just the right amount makes for a good time.
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also to respond to furbow i have a helmet and pads i used to skateboard and bmx ill probly just wear a helmet and if your going to wildwood youll
probably get to meet him there hes gonna be sporting the new blokart/buggy hes building
Kites:
T-foil Trainer
HQ beamer 2m
Pansh Ace 5m (1st edition extra lifty)
Peter Lynn Venom 10m
Rides:
K2 Snowboard-K2 auto bindings-DC boots
GI Prodigy 2010 Gold and Black Vegas hubs
Wants:
A Machine that makes wind
Wind is like a drug: many people are addicted to it, too much of it and you could end up dead or in the hospital, too little of it and you\'ll go
crazy, and just the right amount makes for a good time.
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Quote: | Originally posted by gemini6kl
hey there dont bash pansh kites i own one and they are just as good as the rest of expensive kites ,, it flys just like the rest and the material
is almost the same with slight differences between the other kites i own.just my opinon. .. |
I thought that my first Pansh (second kite) was pretty good as well. In time as my skills improved and I got to fly some higher quality kites, I
could start to feel the difference. Some have Pansh's they like even after gaining skills and discrimination but most wouldn't fly a high quality
kite and a Pansh and not be able to find reasons the Pansh was inferior in some ways. They are still around for a reason, but look at resale value of
various kites. The market doesn't lie.
Isn't Punctuation awesome!
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PL Phantom 12m, 15m, Big Blu 24m+, Synergy 10m, Venom 10m, 13m , Phantom II 12m Vapors 3.8, 5.4, Crosskite Sonic 7m, PKD Combat 10.3m
Uturn Butane 2.5m PKD Buster 3m Genetrix Hydra 7m Ozone Yakuza GT 14m
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I think Pansh and punctuation are way over-rated................................. :duh::duh: I mean when youre on a roll why stop to put in a period or a comma
or a question mark or a explanation mark or a quotation mark last summer at band camp...............................:duh::duh:
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furbowski
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Quote: | Originally posted by BeamerBob
I thought that my first Pansh (second kite) was pretty good as well. In time as my skills improved and I got to fly some higher quality kites, I
could start to feel the difference. |
+1
I used to pimp pansh all the time, now I can't wait to replace them.
that said, the 5m ace is still my goto kite for really crappy light winds when I just want to fly a kite, there's no pull to speak of but if I fly the
heck out of it I can still pick up my feet for a fleeting second...
fixed bridles, flying static, been two years now... ??? folks must be wondering....
sting 1.7, dp power 2.5, crossfire 3.2, ace 5, blade iv 6.5, ace 8, ace 12...
also a couple of arcs, 12 syn and 12 phanny, but i\'m not yet up to speed on them.
(13.11.09)
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Bladerunner
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Quote: | Originally posted by gemini6kl
hey there dont bash pansh kites i own one and they are just as good as the rest of expensive kites ,, |
I have heard this by more than one person who changed their minds as they got better skills + kites. Real Men like Bob will admitt it.
I was the other way. I went in thinking Pansh was a total junk. The lines and handles were junk but I hear they have improved some ? The 5m Ace flew
very well but NOT on the lineset I recieved. They were 3 very different lengths. I was a Flexifoil flyer at that point and went straight to the Flexi
handles + lines. Side by side with my Bulets and Blade it was obvious the materials, stitching and bridles were very inferior. My Ace still flies well
and is on loan as we speak . My Blaze ..... lets not go there !
If you remember I said right away that you can't rule Pansh out with your budget and that is still true. You just need to be aware of what you are
getting.
I can't speak in camera terms but I'm sure knowing what you know you would not buy the Pansh of cameras ? Now add in the fact you are betting your
life and limb on that product not just missing a good shot!
Pansh has it's place and folks on a tight budget are their market . It's tough to say no. I understand.
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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No punctuation is only one step up from the dumbassness that is text speak drives
me mad!
If I was your age, I would have been in the same situation and a 5m Ace would have done me just fine till I could afford some bling ...
... and I'm not selling my 5m Rebble :D
Yeah... I got a kite. Or two...
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furbowski
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yeah, pansh kites have their place.... for those first few hundred hours of time, and as a cheap way to get into the sport.
try to buy one that is already setup and flies well, those are the best deals. Buying new you take the risk you might get one of the random lemons.
fixed bridles, flying static, been two years now... ??? folks must be wondering....
sting 1.7, dp power 2.5, crossfire 3.2, ace 5, blade iv 6.5, ace 8, ace 12...
also a couple of arcs, 12 syn and 12 phanny, but i\'m not yet up to speed on them.
(13.11.09)
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NJLandboarder
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Thats the reason for this post. (sigh) I am only buying a pansh because i am 14, next summer i am getting a job and then i will hopefully buy somthing
nicer like a pl or a flexi. I know you guys want me to have something nice but i don't have the money to spend hundreds even thousands on another
kite, I am still in school and yes i can use punctuation when i want to.
I only made this post to find a kite ive seen pl rebbles for under 100 and beamer 5ms for 75 and a pansh 12m for 100 not that i would go that big but
i would buy maybe a 7m blaze, or a sprint 5m or 7m or the legend 5.5m as long as they are in working condition if a kite doent have lines thats not
too disapointing i can buy them and in the meantime i can use the ones from my beamer.
Kites:
T-foil Trainer
HQ beamer 2m
Pansh Ace 5m (1st edition extra lifty)
Peter Lynn Venom 10m
Rides:
K2 Snowboard-K2 auto bindings-DC boots
GI Prodigy 2010 Gold and Black Vegas hubs
Wants:
A Machine that makes wind
Wind is like a drug: many people are addicted to it, too much of it and you could end up dead or in the hospital, too little of it and you\'ll go
crazy, and just the right amount makes for a good time.
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furbowski
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if you wanna buy a kite on the cheap, try patience and watching the boards like a hawk.
and yes punctuation is cool!:wee:
:D
beamer 5 m for 75? jump on it!
I have a 12m ace, they're not the greatest, they turn like a schoolbus real oldskool like no power steering. Yep if you can get one in the air you
can get a jump out of it, but for sheer whip yo butt off the ground there's nothing like a well-powered 5-7m kite.
I don't know the Ozone little devils at all but they have a good reputation, there's two for sale $100 each right now:
http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=14760
fixed bridles, flying static, been two years now... ??? folks must be wondering....
sting 1.7, dp power 2.5, crossfire 3.2, ace 5, blade iv 6.5, ace 8, ace 12...
also a couple of arcs, 12 syn and 12 phanny, but i\'m not yet up to speed on them.
(13.11.09)
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NJLandboarder
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yeah but the person sellling it is a away and it doesnt have lines i hope she atleast has the bag im comparing offers and trying to get a good deal
on a good kite
Kites:
T-foil Trainer
HQ beamer 2m
Pansh Ace 5m (1st edition extra lifty)
Peter Lynn Venom 10m
Rides:
K2 Snowboard-K2 auto bindings-DC boots
GI Prodigy 2010 Gold and Black Vegas hubs
Wants:
A Machine that makes wind
Wind is like a drug: many people are addicted to it, too much of it and you could end up dead or in the hospital, too little of it and you\'ll go
crazy, and just the right amount makes for a good time.
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Maven454
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The Little Devils are listed as coming with lines, handles, and a stuff sack.
"I gave up on wind speeds... its either crappy, gravy, epic, or stupid... in that order"
--Drewculous
Ozone: Imp III Quattro 1m and 1.5m, Flow 2m, 3m, 4m, and 5m.
NAPKA# US454
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furbowski
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at that price the little devils are worth waiting for
i think the dude is part of the vancouver crew could try PM i mean U2U bladerunner to see if he can help you get in touch
there ya go no punctuation for once
:moon:
fixed bridles, flying static, been two years now... ??? folks must be wondering....
sting 1.7, dp power 2.5, crossfire 3.2, ace 5, blade iv 6.5, ace 8, ace 12...
also a couple of arcs, 12 syn and 12 phanny, but i\'m not yet up to speed on them.
(13.11.09)
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NJLandboarder
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are they as powerful as a 5m beamer or are they lifty?
Kites:
T-foil Trainer
HQ beamer 2m
Pansh Ace 5m (1st edition extra lifty)
Peter Lynn Venom 10m
Rides:
K2 Snowboard-K2 auto bindings-DC boots
GI Prodigy 2010 Gold and Black Vegas hubs
Wants:
A Machine that makes wind
Wind is like a drug: many people are addicted to it, too much of it and you could end up dead or in the hospital, too little of it and you\'ll go
crazy, and just the right amount makes for a good time.
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Maven454
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Looks like someone is already after the 4.5m, which would have been the one for you.
"I gave up on wind speeds... its either crappy, gravy, epic, or stupid... in that order"
--Drewculous
Ozone: Imp III Quattro 1m and 1.5m, Flow 2m, 3m, 4m, and 5m.
NAPKA# US454
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furbowski
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the good deals don't last for long....
i've seen kites go in minutes. :flaming:
U2U the seller asap, then put "u2u sent" in the thread, then look up their profile and send a message to their email.
fixed bridles, flying static, been two years now... ??? folks must be wondering....
sting 1.7, dp power 2.5, crossfire 3.2, ace 5, blade iv 6.5, ace 8, ace 12...
also a couple of arcs, 12 syn and 12 phanny, but i\'m not yet up to speed on them.
(13.11.09)
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rdavis
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What about a 5.5m PKD Buster? Kite only, no bag, $100
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furbowski
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busters are good kites... def worth looking at. PKD doesn't get so much play in north america...
get the 3m little devil and the buster, then you've got a good quiver.
fixed bridles, flying static, been two years now... ??? folks must be wondering....
sting 1.7, dp power 2.5, crossfire 3.2, ace 5, blade iv 6.5, ace 8, ace 12...
also a couple of arcs, 12 syn and 12 phanny, but i\'m not yet up to speed on them.
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If I am right ? Harald and airin are selling the Devils and Beamer.
I am pretty sure the Devils have a good # of hours on them but complete with handles that 4.5 would have been ideal !
You need to watch that For Sale section closely and move fast. ( that is how I got Harald his set of Reactors at only $475! and Roland a perfect Speed
1.5 for only $375 !! )
The 5m Beamer is the one I told you was going to come up. If it is Airin's it is in good shape and is a good choice as an intro buggy engine. You may
want to grab it ?
Keep watching the for sale section and keep saving . $200 seems like a magic # for kites that are still in decent shape and complete ? Your almost
there.
You should PLEAD to Harald and Airin to let you in ahead of others on that 4.5 due to your desperate situation. They are at the Long Beach kite
festival but I'll put in a good word for you ! There's still time to BEG !!!!
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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