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[*] posted on 9-10-2011 at 04:41 PM
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While flying today (Sunday) the tips of my DP2.5 have a tendency to wrap in, causing the kite to collapse and drop to the ground. Could this be caused by the trees that surround the park where I fly?
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[*] posted on 9-10-2011 at 04:50 PM


not familiar w that kite but a field bounded by trees is generally not a good place to fly--you will find turbulent, unpredictable winds and conditions there.......
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[*] posted on 9-10-2011 at 05:00 PM


Tips usually fold when there isn't enough wind to keep the kite inflated or when the winds are turbulent causing uneven pressure in the sail. How strong were the winds and how clean / bumpy are they?



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[*] posted on 9-10-2011 at 05:21 PM


Trees cause all sorts of havoc with the wind flow. I have some pine trees in one corner of my paddock, if I get to within 300-400 ft and I'm downwind, the kite falls out of the sky and I cannot relaunch in that area. As a very rough rule of thumb, keep about 10 times the height of the tree away. Further is better!



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[*] posted on 10-10-2011 at 08:04 AM


Turbulent wind can be better understood when thinking of the earths surface as a streambed. Friction layer objects in the path of surface flow create disturbances(eddies), which in turn alters the current into re-occurring waves(eddies).

Understanding these invisible forces will inevitably help you navigate each of these eddies individually; and soon you'll feel them and react before they even hit your kite.

Turbulence in a field is also a central agitator in producing greater lulls/crosswind. In greater wind the crosswind is eliminated; but the result is an exponential increase in turbulence(eddies) that will spank you senseless (unless you legit with your katana).


I have included a selection on turbulance from Flying Conditions: Micrometeorology For Pilots by Dennis Pagen. It should help you visualize these invisible forces so you may better combat them on the battlefield.

Micrometeorology for Pilots- Turbulance Part 1
Micrometeorology for Pilots- Turbulance Part 2
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[*] posted on 10-10-2011 at 06:40 PM


Dandre - what's the name of that book? Micrometero-blah blah?



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[*] posted on 10-10-2011 at 07:14 PM


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I have included a selection on turbulance from Flying Conditions: Micrometeorology For Pilots by Dennis Pagen. It should help you visualize these invisible forces so you may better combat them on the battlefield.


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Dandre - what's the name of that book? Micrometero-blah blah?


:puzzled: :o :rolleyes:

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Looks to be out of print, but still available through Amazon Marketplace and most likely the ABE network.

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[*] posted on 10-10-2011 at 07:21 PM


Oh dude! The hotels at Wildwood create lull zones and turbo zones,when it is coming offshore. It is kind of like buggying in a videogame w/ invisible boost zones and glue traps. I guess you would have to experience it......:puzzled:



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[*] posted on 10-10-2011 at 08:25 PM


Nah, just send an IV machine :o I was skim reading so I wanted to check :lol:



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[*] posted on 10-10-2011 at 09:23 PM


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Nah, just send an IV machine :o I was skim reading so I wanted to check :lol:


Naaaahh.... I think you just wanted me to look up and post a purchase link.... very sneaky. :ninja:

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[*] posted on 10-10-2011 at 09:41 PM


Did you? I missed that too :lol: what is ABE? Aeronautical Book ... Expo?



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[*] posted on 10-10-2011 at 11:04 PM


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what is ABE? Aeronautical Book ... Expo?


ABE = ABE Books... no acronym to the best of my knowledge. International (US, Canada, UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Australia, New Zealand) network of booksellers.

Good source for out of print and hard to find books. General URL is www.abebooks.com.

Localized version for the various countries can be found at the links at the bottom of the home page.

There is also a forum attached to the site for help in tracking down books that are particularly hard to find or if you are having problems remembering the details for a book.

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[*] posted on 10-10-2011 at 11:29 PM


Sounds like a handy site :thumbup: ta!

... eBook version? :lol:



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[*] posted on 11-10-2011 at 01:09 AM


    I think they have decided that Amazon and Barnes & Noble (which is just about done with gobbling up Borders now) have that base covered.

    eBooks are fine, but there is something to be said for small book stores in out of way towns. The kind that have 3 or 4 cats roaming the aisles and sleeping in the reading chairs/shelf tops. There's one around here called "Bearly Read Books" thats like that.

    'Sides there are some books that just don't translate well to eBooks. Two that come to mind are:
    1. Painting With Light and Air, Applique Designs On Translucent Fabric (William Farber and Jara Krivanek)
    2. Jewelry: Concepts And Technology (Oppi Untracht)... gotta love a book that weighs in at ~6 lbs.

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[*] posted on 11-10-2011 at 05:30 AM


All good and well for you, even if you do have to suffer through that appalling language you call "American English" ... I have yet to win the fight to get Google to display in English here, let alone find a decent English bookstore :(
eBooks or at worst, .pdf!



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[*] posted on 11-10-2011 at 05:32 AM


http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0936310030/ref=tmm_pa...
Bookfinders and more is the updated 1979 edition<big deal, meteorologists weighed in heavily on the updated edition and helped him with his models..


You can always find a cheap copy somewhere. Just look for the updated edition.
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[*] posted on 14-10-2011 at 01:01 AM


Thankyou Dandre for the info. Although helpful and solves the problem, its a bit too technical. After all this is supposed to be a fun hobby!
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[*] posted on 14-10-2011 at 02:19 AM


Hey I thought that was fun - but then, I like that kind of stuff too :bigok:



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