Power Kite Forum
Not logged in [Login - Register]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: welding equipment
shortlineflyer
Senior Member
****




Posts: 814
Registered: 23-4-2010
Location: Alexandria, Virginia
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 20-1-2012 at 07:25 AM
welding equipment


I am planning on making a buggy at some point and was wondering what types of welders people use. Ideally i would like to use an oxy acetylene welder since its less expensive than electric welders but i dont know much about welding either



Elliot Kites sigma 360 --- Rev Blast 2-4 --- HQ Scout 5.0 --- HQ Crossfire II 10.0 --- HQ hydra 350
2010 Liquid Force Havoc 10m -- Slingshot ranger 12m -- Peter Lynn Scorpion 16m -- EH Cabarete Freestyle

MBS Elements mountainboard
MBS atom cruiser (stake trucks and wheels)
Peter Lynn XR+ kite buggy (std wheels and wide treads)
KiteTrike
View user's profile
labrat
Member
***




Posts: 203
Registered: 25-10-2010
Location: Central PA
Member Is Offline

Mood: tired... again

[*] posted on 20-1-2012 at 07:59 AM


If you don’t know the difference between the welders, don’t try welding with them.

Find a local community college and take some classes.
I did, and my only regret is that the class ended.

The guy who taught me owns his own machine shop and said he is always available to his former students. A connection worth every penny.



US74
HQ Beamer IV 2m, 3m: Apex III 3m, 5m
PL Synergy 15m
GI Patrol (DAKITEZ special build)

What I’m after:
5-6m lifty something or other
Syn\'s little sibling
Hmmmm... buggy?

Told the wife \"The fuel is free and I won’t have to change the oil.”
View user's profile
WELDNGOD
Posting Freak
*****


Avatar


Posts: 5143
Registered: 11-10-2006
Member Is Offline

Mood: Dyin' to go flyin'

[*] posted on 20-1-2012 at 08:00 AM


That would be a negative on the oxy-fuel torch! Stick or TIG bro!



WELDNGOD on VIMEO
https://vimeo.com/user2580342

NAPKA US187
PKD
Combat 2.4 / 4.2
Century 1.8 / 5.5
Century II 2.2/2.8/3.5/4.5 /10.0
Brooza IV 3.0 prototype
Buster Soulfly 1.5 / 2.2 (KIA)/ 3.3 (lost at sea)
Buster Soulfly PRO 3.3 / 4.4
Buster (gen 1) 5.5
FLEXIFOIL
Sting 1.7 Punk
Rage 2.5 / 3.5/ 4.7
Revolution 1.5 SLE
17 ply Custom TRAMPA w/ verTIGo trucks
2 homebrew buggies,2 homebrew KYTBYKS,1 homebrew tandem trailer
GOPRO 3 WHITE, 3+ BLACK, HERO5 BLACK
CONTOUR HD
LET YOUR SOULFLY!

RIDER for KOKOPELLI KITER

View user's profile
WELDNGOD
Posting Freak
*****


Avatar


Posts: 5143
Registered: 11-10-2006
Member Is Offline

Mood: Dyin' to go flyin'

[*] posted on 20-1-2012 at 08:00 AM


or small wire MIG


and what BB said:saint:



WELDNGOD on VIMEO
https://vimeo.com/user2580342

NAPKA US187
PKD
Combat 2.4 / 4.2
Century 1.8 / 5.5
Century II 2.2/2.8/3.5/4.5 /10.0
Brooza IV 3.0 prototype
Buster Soulfly 1.5 / 2.2 (KIA)/ 3.3 (lost at sea)
Buster Soulfly PRO 3.3 / 4.4
Buster (gen 1) 5.5
FLEXIFOIL
Sting 1.7 Punk
Rage 2.5 / 3.5/ 4.7
Revolution 1.5 SLE
17 ply Custom TRAMPA w/ verTIGo trucks
2 homebrew buggies,2 homebrew KYTBYKS,1 homebrew tandem trailer
GOPRO 3 WHITE, 3+ BLACK, HERO5 BLACK
CONTOUR HD
LET YOUR SOULFLY!

RIDER for KOKOPELLI KITER

View user's profile
shortlineflyer
Senior Member
****




Posts: 814
Registered: 23-4-2010
Location: Alexandria, Virginia
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 20-1-2012 at 08:01 AM


there is a community college near my house
that perfect



Elliot Kites sigma 360 --- Rev Blast 2-4 --- HQ Scout 5.0 --- HQ Crossfire II 10.0 --- HQ hydra 350
2010 Liquid Force Havoc 10m -- Slingshot ranger 12m -- Peter Lynn Scorpion 16m -- EH Cabarete Freestyle

MBS Elements mountainboard
MBS atom cruiser (stake trucks and wheels)
Peter Lynn XR+ kite buggy (std wheels and wide treads)
KiteTrike
View user's profile
PHREERIDER
Posting Freak
*****


Avatar


Posts: 5781
Registered: 13-2-2008
Location: SC
Member Is Offline

Mood: chilled....but ready to SAIL!

[*] posted on 20-1-2012 at 10:54 AM


mig tig phlows 2 N 2 1 nicely



TEAM RIDER for Coastal Wind Sports

http://www.coastalwindsports.com/

VIDEOS for your entertainment while you wait.

http://vimeo.com/user4948152/videos

http://www.youtube.com/user/goldendmd?feature=mhsn
View user's profile
BeamerBob
Posting Freak
*****


Avatar


Posts: 8308
Registered: 11-5-2007
Location: Down on the bayou
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 20-1-2012 at 11:03 AM


It would be cool to learn the trade and the art of welding, but don't think its a path to save you money for a buggy. Expect to pay much more for the reward of letting your creative spirit out. Also you might build and rebuild your buggy 4-5 times (at least) before you are happy with it.



Coastal Wind Sports Team Rider
Landsegler Disc wheels
PTW Hero Buggy - XXtreme ApeXX Buggy US 88 - Libre Hardcore
IvanpahBuggyExpo.com
Youtube link
Bob Muse
HQ Montana X 8m, Montana IX 12m, HQ Ignition LEI 5m,
PL Phantom 12m, 15m, Big Blu 24m+, Synergy 10m, Venom 10m, 13m , Phantom II 12m Vapors 3.8, 5.4, Crosskite Sonic 7m, PKD Combat 10.3m
Uturn Butane 2.5m PKD Buster 3m Genetrix Hydra 7m Ozone Yakuza GT 14m
View user's profile Visit user's homepage
popeyethewelder
Posting Freak
*****




Posts: 1183
Registered: 19-3-2005
Location: Lincoln, England
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 20-1-2012 at 12:47 PM


I use a small TIG inverter in my garage, more than enough to build a buggy

http://www.welduk.com/Details.asp?ProductID=295



Popeyethewelder
Riding a buggy of some description
Powered by (unsponsored) PL Vapors
Rolling on Landsegler
Popeyethewelder
View user's profile Visit user's homepage
macboy
Posting Freak
*****




Posts: 3146
Registered: 15-10-2007
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Member Is Offline

Mood: They're ALL good ideas. Right up until they become BAD ideas.

[*] posted on 20-1-2012 at 02:40 PM


Stumbled onto this at a motorcycle show here last weekend. Looks like the bees knees. About $2G but that's all you need. If you figure in the gear, the bottles, the fills, the miscellany.......seems that price is equal. I'm definitely putting it on my list.

Multiplaz Plasma welder / cutter



KC07 - Certified Chronic

Rev Shockwave | Brooza II 3 | BusterII's 3/4/5 | Hornet 1.5
Reactor II 5.5/6.9 | AccessXC 10 | Frenzy 12 | PsychoIII 13 | Speed2 12 | Speed3 15 | SA2.5 19
Bomba 15 | Phantom 15/18 | Venom 13 | Slingshot T3 9/11/14m

Skis, Ski Skates, Nobile RM Pro, MBS Pro 90, Kailolo 5' 11" Custom Phish, Kailolo 5'9" Custom Phish, Plyboard, Proof 151, FlydoorM, F-One 198, Coyotes, Comp XR+, and the BEST WIFE IN THE WORLD!

I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.
~ Thomas Edison
View user's profile
rocfighter
Posting Freak
*****




Posts: 3950
Registered: 13-10-2009
Location: Haddam Neck, CT.
Member Is Offline

Mood: Elimenate warning signs, Promote natural selection

[*] posted on 20-1-2012 at 04:43 PM


I have been welding as a construcion mechanic for years. But when I started making buggies I wish I had some experiance in auto body!! Those tubes are thin walled and burn easy. Take some lessons and use a mig or tig. I use a 140 mig with gas. Works great.



NAPKA # US65
HQ ApexII 7.5
Skydog/ SDT2.8, SDT4.0, SDT5.5, SDF3.0

Pansh Ace 5.0 X2
North Husky 6.0
PL Guerilla 13, 18
PL C-Quad 2.3, 3.2, 4.2
Home made Rat Buggy
Libre V Max on barrow Plus wider taller sand tires & bigfoot front end
Blades Of Death, \"thanks Fran\"
View user's profile
van
Posting Freak
*****


Avatar


Posts: 1177
Registered: 22-8-2006
Location: sugarland-richmond Texas
Member Is Offline

Mood: ride ! ride ! ride !

[*] posted on 20-1-2012 at 06:33 PM


If you're tube walls are burning, you're using too thin of a tubing for your buggy ...haha. To be on the safe side, 1/8" thick tubing is a good start for your buggy. I started out with a cheap 90amp welder on 110 volt supply. Welds came out way too cold. I purchased a Miller 180 plug into 220V power and it made a big difference. Welds came out real nice. Even if you buy cheap welder , try to get the larger ones that use 220V instead of those cracker box 110V ones.



US-00 ( That\'s right baby .. double O!!)
Engines:
8m charger, 10m Scorpion, 15m phantom, 19m venom, 5m npw9, 8m npw-ha, 9m switchblade , 14m Ozone Catalyst



Rides:
VTT Black Widow, VTT Stinger Race, Flexboardz Haize, Trampa , Spleene HT Door 59, MTH custom twin tip



713-499-0100
http://www.shopvtt.com
http://www.vantantech.com
View user's profile Visit user's homepage
PHREERIDER
Posting Freak
*****


Avatar


Posts: 5781
Registered: 13-2-2008
Location: SC
Member Is Offline

Mood: chilled....but ready to SAIL!

[*] posted on 20-1-2012 at 06:48 PM


220 phlows 110 blows



TEAM RIDER for Coastal Wind Sports

http://www.coastalwindsports.com/

VIDEOS for your entertainment while you wait.

http://vimeo.com/user4948152/videos

http://www.youtube.com/user/goldendmd?feature=mhsn
View user's profile
WELDNGOD
Posting Freak
*****


Avatar


Posts: 5143
Registered: 11-10-2006
Member Is Offline

Mood: Dyin' to go flyin'

[*] posted on 20-1-2012 at 07:37 PM


welding machines are rated by duty - cycle. If a machine is rated at 30% duty-cycle,that means for every 10 minute period you can weld 3 minutes. The machine will need 7 minutes of cooling time in that 10 minute period. A 60% duty-cycle machine can go 6 minutes and only needs 4 minutes of cooling, and so on.. The best thing to get, is a 100% duty-cycle machine,but they cost $$$. Avoid really low duty cycle machines.You will burn it up if you push it too hard,inverters really dont like HEAT. Oh yeah the duty-cycle changes with voltage input ,it might have one rating for 440V and a different one for 220V. Make sure you check the duty-cycle for the given input voltage.



WELDNGOD on VIMEO
https://vimeo.com/user2580342

NAPKA US187
PKD
Combat 2.4 / 4.2
Century 1.8 / 5.5
Century II 2.2/2.8/3.5/4.5 /10.0
Brooza IV 3.0 prototype
Buster Soulfly 1.5 / 2.2 (KIA)/ 3.3 (lost at sea)
Buster Soulfly PRO 3.3 / 4.4
Buster (gen 1) 5.5
FLEXIFOIL
Sting 1.7 Punk
Rage 2.5 / 3.5/ 4.7
Revolution 1.5 SLE
17 ply Custom TRAMPA w/ verTIGo trucks
2 homebrew buggies,2 homebrew KYTBYKS,1 homebrew tandem trailer
GOPRO 3 WHITE, 3+ BLACK, HERO5 BLACK
CONTOUR HD
LET YOUR SOULFLY!

RIDER for KOKOPELLI KITER

View user's profile
WELDNGOD
Posting Freak
*****


Avatar


Posts: 5143
Registered: 11-10-2006
Member Is Offline

Mood: Dyin' to go flyin'

[*] posted on 20-1-2012 at 07:41 PM


and never use gasless wire for mig. It is awful crap w/ no penetration.always use at least CO2 if not 75%/25% argon/co2 mix.



WELDNGOD on VIMEO
https://vimeo.com/user2580342

NAPKA US187
PKD
Combat 2.4 / 4.2
Century 1.8 / 5.5
Century II 2.2/2.8/3.5/4.5 /10.0
Brooza IV 3.0 prototype
Buster Soulfly 1.5 / 2.2 (KIA)/ 3.3 (lost at sea)
Buster Soulfly PRO 3.3 / 4.4
Buster (gen 1) 5.5
FLEXIFOIL
Sting 1.7 Punk
Rage 2.5 / 3.5/ 4.7
Revolution 1.5 SLE
17 ply Custom TRAMPA w/ verTIGo trucks
2 homebrew buggies,2 homebrew KYTBYKS,1 homebrew tandem trailer
GOPRO 3 WHITE, 3+ BLACK, HERO5 BLACK
CONTOUR HD
LET YOUR SOULFLY!

RIDER for KOKOPELLI KITER

View user's profile
rocfighter
Posting Freak
*****




Posts: 3950
Registered: 13-10-2009
Location: Haddam Neck, CT.
Member Is Offline

Mood: Elimenate warning signs, Promote natural selection

[*] posted on 21-1-2012 at 06:19 AM


The one I have works great. I am used to a 3phase mig tig stick at work. So it took a little ajustment on my part to figurew it out. But now I use it all the time with great results. PLUS when The Kidd started trade school the auto body instructor asked if anyone knew how to weld. Cameron looked at the mig he had(the exact one we have and he has used it for a couple years) and he said "no problem I can weld" so the challange was on. And he has been to star student ewver since!! Just s cool little story of just how awesome my kid is:smilegrin:!!!



NAPKA # US65
HQ ApexII 7.5
Skydog/ SDT2.8, SDT4.0, SDT5.5, SDF3.0

Pansh Ace 5.0 X2
North Husky 6.0
PL Guerilla 13, 18
PL C-Quad 2.3, 3.2, 4.2
Home made Rat Buggy
Libre V Max on barrow Plus wider taller sand tires & bigfoot front end
Blades Of Death, \"thanks Fran\"
View user's profile
jellis
Senior Member
****


Avatar


Posts: 845
Registered: 5-1-2004
Location: Sunset Beach
Member Is Offline

Mood: SOBB

[*] posted on 21-1-2012 at 05:05 PM


Thermal Arc 185 AC/DC tig is what use and found no problems with the work I do.



Jon Ellis US08
View user's profile Visit user's homepage
popeyethewelder
Posting Freak
*****




Posts: 1183
Registered: 19-3-2005
Location: Lincoln, England
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 22-1-2012 at 05:00 AM


Following on from what WG has rightly said about duty cycles, if we are just talking about a welding set to make buggies, TIG welding, on a amp note....I dont think I ever go above 75amps making a stainless buggy, and most of the time much less than that, remember too much heat is as bad as not enough, and prep work is key....clean material, and chamfered edges if needed on butt joints.

I never have to worry too much about ratings as I would guess buggy building wise, the longest run you may do is welding a axle plate to the axle, and thats only a couple of minutes work at best, and my little inverter more than copes with that.



Popeyethewelder
Riding a buggy of some description
Powered by (unsponsored) PL Vapors
Rolling on Landsegler
Popeyethewelder
View user's profile Visit user's homepage
shortlineflyer
Senior Member
****




Posts: 814
Registered: 23-4-2010
Location: Alexandria, Virginia
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 22-1-2012 at 11:44 AM


can anyone recommend welding books to read that would help with making a buggy



Elliot Kites sigma 360 --- Rev Blast 2-4 --- HQ Scout 5.0 --- HQ Crossfire II 10.0 --- HQ hydra 350
2010 Liquid Force Havoc 10m -- Slingshot ranger 12m -- Peter Lynn Scorpion 16m -- EH Cabarete Freestyle

MBS Elements mountainboard
MBS atom cruiser (stake trucks and wheels)
Peter Lynn XR+ kite buggy (std wheels and wide treads)
KiteTrike
View user's profile
WELDNGOD
Posting Freak
*****


Avatar


Posts: 5143
Registered: 11-10-2006
Member Is Offline

Mood: Dyin' to go flyin'

[*] posted on 22-1-2012 at 11:54 AM


modern welding



WELDNGOD on VIMEO
https://vimeo.com/user2580342

NAPKA US187
PKD
Combat 2.4 / 4.2
Century 1.8 / 5.5
Century II 2.2/2.8/3.5/4.5 /10.0
Brooza IV 3.0 prototype
Buster Soulfly 1.5 / 2.2 (KIA)/ 3.3 (lost at sea)
Buster Soulfly PRO 3.3 / 4.4
Buster (gen 1) 5.5
FLEXIFOIL
Sting 1.7 Punk
Rage 2.5 / 3.5/ 4.7
Revolution 1.5 SLE
17 ply Custom TRAMPA w/ verTIGo trucks
2 homebrew buggies,2 homebrew KYTBYKS,1 homebrew tandem trailer
GOPRO 3 WHITE, 3+ BLACK, HERO5 BLACK
CONTOUR HD
LET YOUR SOULFLY!

RIDER for KOKOPELLI KITER

View user's profile
WELDNGOD
Posting Freak
*****


Avatar


Posts: 5143
Registered: 11-10-2006
Member Is Offline

Mood: Dyin' to go flyin'

[*] posted on 22-1-2012 at 11:55 AM


practice,practice ,practice. And ask alot of questions.



WELDNGOD on VIMEO
https://vimeo.com/user2580342

NAPKA US187
PKD
Combat 2.4 / 4.2
Century 1.8 / 5.5
Century II 2.2/2.8/3.5/4.5 /10.0
Brooza IV 3.0 prototype
Buster Soulfly 1.5 / 2.2 (KIA)/ 3.3 (lost at sea)
Buster Soulfly PRO 3.3 / 4.4
Buster (gen 1) 5.5
FLEXIFOIL
Sting 1.7 Punk
Rage 2.5 / 3.5/ 4.7
Revolution 1.5 SLE
17 ply Custom TRAMPA w/ verTIGo trucks
2 homebrew buggies,2 homebrew KYTBYKS,1 homebrew tandem trailer
GOPRO 3 WHITE, 3+ BLACK, HERO5 BLACK
CONTOUR HD
LET YOUR SOULFLY!

RIDER for KOKOPELLI KITER

View user's profile
jellis
Senior Member
****


Avatar


Posts: 845
Registered: 5-1-2004
Location: Sunset Beach
Member Is Offline

Mood: SOBB

[*] posted on 22-1-2012 at 12:21 PM


What Weldngod said ..................x2



Jon Ellis US08
View user's profile Visit user's homepage

  Go To Top

Hosted by: Mad Moose Studio