Power Kite Forum

BEC

Senior Member

Posts: 910
Registered: 4-9-2011
Location: Avon, N.Y.
Member Is Offline

Mood: I have the WildWood Blues....

posted on 21-3-2012 at 02:38 PM

tires

/Users/bruceclarke/Desktop/Hi-Run Rib Tire, 16 x 6.5 - 8 - 0303131 | Tractor Supply Company.webarchive

I'm hoping that works and you can see the picture or link. These are on sale for about $110.00 for all three. Do you think this would be a good choice for upgrading to midis and getting rid of the barrows. (flexifoil buggy with both short and wide axel) What can I expect from this different tire as far as ride goes. I thought these would help me at WW this year to be able to stay on the beach a little longer, but I will be running them mostly in huge horse pastures for the rest of the time.

1.8 Flexifoil Rage
2.5 Flexifoil Rage (new version)
3.5 Flexifoil Rage
4.7 Flexifoil Rage
2.0 Flexifoil Blade II
4.0 Flexifoil Blade II
6.6 Flexifoil Blade III
8.5 Flexifoil Blade III
5.0 Flexifoil Blurr
7.0 Flexifoil Bullet

NAPKA member US822
SS. Flexifoil buggy w/ both wide and std. axle Custom VTT seat

Running both Bigfoot -N- barrows

shehatesmyhobbies

Posting Freak

Posts: 3670
Registered: 23-2-2009
Location: Clayton, DE
Member Is Offline

Mood: Serious Buggy withdraws!

posted on 21-3-2012 at 03:12 PM

Bruce, I think this is what you were looking at, if not send me the right url and I will post it for you

Tires

Rich
NAPKA President
US 66
www.napka.org

302 480 6008

Phantoms!
My ride: GT Rapide
Check out the Wildwood Buggy Bash Facebook page!

shehatesmyhobbies

Posting Freak

Posts: 3670
Registered: 23-2-2009
Location: Clayton, DE
Member Is Offline

Mood: Serious Buggy withdraws!

posted on 21-3-2012 at 03:20 PM

If so,, these will get you a little further on the "soft" stuff, that is what several people use. Heck, fly like Danny, he goes all over with the barrows! :lol:

He does have mad skills!

Rich
NAPKA President
US 66
www.napka.org

302 480 6008

Phantoms!
My ride: GT Rapide
Check out the Wildwood Buggy Bash Facebook page!

ChrisH

Senior Member

Posts: 527
Registered: 10-9-2010
Location: Stayton, OR
Member Is Offline

posted on 21-3-2012 at 03:32 PM

They say that you'll slide more on grass so you won't be able to hold down as much power. For sand and dirt, though, they should be great. I'm going to midi's as soon as I can afford it.

I found these for $19.75 a piece. Under $20 to ship to my door so for less than $80 you've got midi's! They are 4 ply, not 2 though. Don't know if that makes a huge difference or not.

http://www.cedarrapidstire.com/category/7372/for-a-complete-...

US711
MG Croozer

BEC

Senior Member

Posts: 910
Registered: 4-9-2011
Location: Avon, N.Y.
Member Is Offline

Mood: I have the WildWood Blues....

posted on 21-3-2012 at 04:47 PM

So let me get this straight....The barrows I have now will be better on grass with less sideways pull and the wider (midi) wont be as good if grass/fields are generally 90% of my fun . If this is true I shouldn't be getting any tires till the ones I am running (barrows) die.

Looking to be better prepared for WW this year.

BeamerBob

Posting Freak

Posts: 8308
Registered: 11-5-2007
Location: Down on the bayou
Member Is Offline

posted on 21-3-2012 at 04:59 PM

Riding on grass and sand, you might never wear out a set of tires. But yes, the increased surface area reduces bite and will cause the tires to slide more on grass. You could argue that they are a better choice on sand though for a bit more flotation and side traction.

Coastal Wind Sports Team Rider
Landsegler Disc wheels
PTW Hero Buggy - XXtreme ApeXX Buggy US 88 - Libre Hardcore
IvanpahBuggyExpo.com
Youtube link
Bob Muse
HQ Montana X 8m, Montana IX 12m, HQ Ignition LEI 5m,
PL Phantom 12m, 15m, Big Blu 24m+, Synergy 10m, Venom 10m, 13m , Phantom II 12m Vapors 3.8, 5.4, Crosskite Sonic 7m, PKD Combat 10.3m
Uturn Butane 2.5m PKD Buster 3m Genetrix Hydra 7m Ozone Yakuza GT 14m

BEC

Senior Member

Posts: 910
Registered: 4-9-2011
Location: Avon, N.Y.
Member Is Offline

Mood: I have the WildWood Blues....

posted on 21-3-2012 at 05:50 PM

Wow! This whole time I thought that more surface area would result in less sideways pull. So I guess what you are saying is...If you are only going to the beach once or twice a year...stick with the barrows and use my money to buy more kites.

DAKITEZ

Posting Freak

Posts: 2658
Registered: 21-10-2007
Location: Galt CA
Member Is Offline

Mood: Go Fly A Kite!

posted on 21-3-2012 at 06:10 PM

also the midis will create more drag on grass. Thus you will need a bigger kite to accomplish the same speed than if you were on barrows.
I ran big foot lights on grass a few times but the increased drag was so great I pulled them off and went back to the barrows.

Rule of thumb is big tires on soft sand beaches ... and everywhere else barrows.

hiaguy

Senior Member

Posts: 945
Registered: 26-6-2011
Location: Whitby, ON
Member Is Offline

Mood: Always counting the days to the next WBB

posted on 21-3-2012 at 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BEC
Wow! This whole time I thought that more surface area would result in better sideways pull. So I guess what you are saying is...If you are only going to the beach once or twice a year...stick with the barrows and use my money to buy more kites.

+1 for any reason to buy (and afford) more kites :roll:

Go ahead... tell me to "go fly a kite!" Please!

Howard - used to be KC67
Fly: A quiver of Lynx' and Cores (did someone say "Pansh"?), a couple o' Arcs, and a Rev to remind me about control
Ride: PL XR+
Where: 43.857899, -78.941661 and 38.970951, -74.828922

markite

Posting Freak

Posts: 1769
Registered: 8-3-2004
Location: Cambridge, ON, Canada
Member Is Offline

posted on 21-3-2012 at 07:40 PM

For soft sand you want as much contact area as possible however the shape of the tire also comes into play. A softer rounder profile tire will give you a better float on the sand and it'll roll over sand - the midis are wide so you do gain footprint in width on the tire but the profile is more square on the shoulder so the tires tend to push sand a little more - almost plowing it so they feel slower and heavier.
There are times when they might give you a little better chance of riding vs not riding at all with barrows so that's a plus. But if it's solid enough on the beach to run either tire the barrows will then be faster.

Mark Groshens NAPKA KC 13
WindSpeed kites & design - Canada
Peter Lynn Arcs: Charger2 22.5 +18 + 15 + 6.5, Charger I 6, Scorpion 16 + 10, Phantom II 12 + 9, Orig Phantom 9 + 6, Synergy 10 + 8, F 1200, S 840
Ocean Rodeo: Flite 17 + 12, Rise 13 + 10 + 7, Razor 9 + 6
Foils: PL Leopards and Lynx, Airea Raptors, some PL Reactor IIs + IIIs, Libre Spirits, Cross Kite Sonics, Ozone Flow
Peter Lynn Kite Cat for cruising the lakes
buggies: PL XR+, Cameleon Pagona, custom bigfoot, PL Bigfoot, custom ice buggy
Boards: 2 custom directionals, O.R Surf series 6-3 and 5-11, Mako Duke, Mako Skinny, Mako 140 Wide, Mako 150 Wide, Mako King, Brunotti
lots of old school skis, snowboard

ChrisH

Senior Member

Posts: 527
Registered: 10-9-2010
Location: Stayton, OR
Member Is Offline

posted on 21-3-2012 at 08:31 PM

Any thoughts about 2 ply vs 4 ply tires?

US711
MG Croozer

BeamerBob

Posting Freak

Posts: 8308
Registered: 11-5-2007
Location: Down on the bayou
Member Is Offline

posted on 21-3-2012 at 08:33 PM

4 ply when you can. 2 ply when you have to. It's just for longevity.

ChrisH

Senior Member

Posts: 527
Registered: 10-9-2010
Location: Stayton, OR
Member Is Offline

posted on 21-3-2012 at 08:35 PM

Sweet, thanks!

US711
MG Croozer

DAKITEZ

Posting Freak

Posts: 2658
Registered: 21-10-2007
Location: Galt CA
Member Is Offline

Mood: Go Fly A Kite!

posted on 21-3-2012 at 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisH
Any thoughts about 2 ply vs 4 ply tires?

In most cases people will almost never wear out a tire on grass or sand. I would think the advantage of a 4 ply would be a little more puncture resistant than a 2 but I am not tire expert.