So as a respect and to continue the talk that "hijacked" Jeff's post about 'Life after accident' (:wink2, I'll be happy to hear some newer ways (then I do anyway..) about how you guys slow down / stop when you reach high speed with the buggy ?
Please mention the wind condition, as I think it's a major contributor to the way of stopping your ride.

wind condition .. surface condition dont make much difference except for maybe technique, but the way to slow down is you have to scrub off speed by sliding the buggy sideways. Practice makes perfect so practice at slower speeds to figure out proper kite placement. If you are not riding in a buggy with fitted side rails kite placement will be important. If the kite is in the wrong spot in the window it could cause you to tip or get pulled out. When the kite is low that will be the easiest to slide .. but you will be generating the most power. maybe not seem like the best scenario if you are trying to slow down but if you get that buggy sliding it will stop.
I am sure others will chime in with more options

On a beach or grass sliding can be fun and effective. Riding on the lakebed all the time we have to be concerned with tire wear so we try not to slide if it isn't necessary. I say "we" but Wexler finished off 2 front tires the last day of NABX while playing with a 14m HQ Montana. Depending on the wind/kite combo, it can be possible to edge upwind without actually sliding and still slow down. While learning basics you shouldn't be riding overpowered anyway, so the upwind edge will bring things to a halt. Just leave room for if a gust adds in power when you don't want it.

Slowing down at 30km is different than slowing down at 100km

Learn to control you kite. Your kite is what helps you to slow down or generate more speed.

30km
Learn to drift your buggy
Ride more upwind

100km+
Upwind turning
Suicide gybe

Kite to edge. Cut upwind. This applies to all rides.

So...after reading the posts here, I had to try some of those new ways...
Wind started at about 9mph and slowly started to kick in to the mid teens. After getting to the "amazingly" speed of around 12-15mph, I've tried to slide (drifting) towards the upwind side, once with the kite close to the ground (remembering your words ripsessionkites...) and it did slow down a lot, although generated some power into the kite - yet still controllable - and the second time, I was drifting with the kite close to the upper zenith spot. In that case, I did slow a bit but felt like I'm about to be ejected out from my buggy.
I guess the real test will be with a bigger kite or stronger wind.
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On a good note, I finally made my first two wheel drive (sorry, if I'm not saying the right definition of that trick).
I want to start practice reverse drive and going into 360 while in motion, any recomendations or tips / clips that can show me how/where to start ?
I'll post a short clip of my "wheelie" later

Here is the finished product :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uABc2wsDrCo&feature=youtu...

Sorry, I tried to embed the video, just not sure how :puzzled:

Click the "new reply" button and on the right is an icon that looks like a tv set. Click that button and enter the video code when prompted. For this video it is uABc2wsDrCo . The code can be found in the hyperlink for the video on youtube. That's all there is to embedding a youtube video.

You can pull a similar move to the kite at zenith one you tried.

Try it with the kite very LOW. It takes a bit of nerve to get the kite down and at the edge but when you do, cut upwind and you will slow without ejection.

On the Dry Lake's kite should always be low.

Avoid OBE!


Low, to go slow!


aoxomoxoa

when turning up wind hard, keep your kite very low to the ground. it will have less leverage on you. This is dependent on your buggy, but I've found I can just do a 180 until about 25, then cut upwind til 40, after that it's down wind scrubbing :/

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Originally posted by deanaoxo On the Dry Lake's kite should always be low. Avoid OBE! Low, to go slow! aoxomoxoa

I had to keep mine high while turning into the wind to slow down, down low it ripped from my hands, there was one time that I did speed up doing this but thankfully there was enough room I just stuck with it till I was able to start slowing. so Im guessing "low, to go slow" applies when (edit) using a harness? I was not to concerned about an obe going high becouse I wasn't using a harness and I was using a grip on the handles that I learned from a previous thread

Sorry for the ignorance, but, OBE = ?

It's when the kite pulls you out of your buggy. "Out of Buggy Experience".

LOL .. funny...thanks

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Originally posted by MDK Quote: Originally posted by deanaoxo On the Dry Lake's kite should always be low. Avoid OBE! Low, to go slow! aoxomoxoa I had to keep mine high while turning into the wind to slow down, down low it ripped from my hands, there was one time that I did speed up doing this but thankfully there was enough room I just stuck with it till I was able to start slowing. so Im guessing "low, to go slow" applies when (edit) using a harness? I was not to concerned about an obe going high becouse I wasn't using a harness and I was using a grip on the handles that I learned from a previous thread

The trick is working the kite down low along the EDGE avoiding the power zone. It is a bit tricky and takes some commitment but pays off in spades once you are low.

Down low and back in the window equals a HUGE power burst. Once you have the kite down there you have 3 choices. Cut upwind and slow down. Add a touch of brake so the kite falls back and shoot downwind in a power boost or find a nice balance and cruise. With the kite low like that scrubbing speed by sliding is also an option. Once you get used to it this is the least risky way to ride. It is a bit counter intuitive so is something you must teach yourself to do.

Keep it Low and Go, fast or slow !

:wee:

Great vid AviN. I'm new in the bug too.

I just recently had a session with pokitetrash who showed me a few things, and this is off topic, because we're talking about stopping, but I noticed in the vid you use up turns with the kite, ... have you tried down turns? Pokite showed me their beauty and how they can really rocket you around while turning. I used them A LOT this last weekend at the beach.

They're also great for getting you moving or tightening your lines, just new knowledge for me I wanted to share, sorry to be OT.

Hi soliver,
First, feel free to make ANY comment you like, I always enjoy other ppl's experience/knowledge and tips, so no need to apologize.

As I said before, I like to say that I'm a "YouTube certified", meaning everything I've learned, was from watching clips and reading post all over the net. The reason I'm turning with the kite a bit high is because I figure that when I'm half way into the turn, the kite is dropping down to the power zone, and kinda complete the turn for me (it also makes me make a nice sense of 'drifting turn with some splash ). To tell you it's the right way, I won't, and only from the reason that it did pulled me too much at times, making me ether drift too much or having the OBE feeling (haha...making some use of a new definition I've learn here..).
I'll be so happy to learn other -and much more safer- ways to do so, yet sometimes it's hard to imaging or picture in your head what you read here from other and much more experienced rider's tips. That is one of the reason I'm dying to meet other buggiers, so I can see with my own eyes how it's been done the proper way.
I'm still trying to figure out how to turn with the kite lower while in motion, cause the way I do it, it seems like when I put the kite lower while in speed, the kite just generate more power and pull, something that tells me that if I won't slow first, I will fly out when try to turn.
I know I still have a lot to learn, but I'm trying to have some fun while doing so....kinda hard to stay on the learning path all the time when you know you can "just cruise" with the wind...

I think I'm on the same page!

A lot of guys recommend reading the tutorials on buggying on the Coastal Windsports page, I'd add a link, but I don't have it handy. I've read it and found it helpful.

This is what I can tell you about a down turn, or at least how I do it,... there are guys who can probably give you better technique than this newb, but this is what I've learned in the last couple of weeks:...

just before you are ready to turn, raise the kite up high enough to turn downward into the powerzone and turn your front wheel just a bit after you start to turn the kite. once the kite starts downward into the powerzone it will seriously surge you forward, whip you around your turn and keep you moving. It's essentially the same as you are already doing only you turn downward into the powerzone instead of upward and out of it. I really found this maneuver helpful.

I'm sure someone has some vid of it somewhere.

hey you experienced guys,... tell me if I'm right?!?! :dunno:

Well I’m not experienced (2012 NABX was my first buggy experience) but I started out doing down turns just because it’s what I always did while flying static, but when timed right the acceleration out of the turns is awesome! I think I was told that down turns are helpful in low wind... but down turns just felt natural for me. I think the wind was around 15 to 20mph. Im thinking that us new guys may want to be careful doing down turns in high winds dont know, maybe someone with experience will coment on this. Follow this link to some great info for the new buggier http://popeyethewelder.com/a-kite-buggy-tutorial-lets-start-... lots of great info at this site!

vid with down turns http://vimeo.com/40713858
down turn at 620.

Sorry MDK.....I just can't see it or spot what I'm doing different...:dunno:

Maybe you can point me to the right minute in that clip..?

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Originally posted by AviN Sorry MDK.....I just can't see it or spot what I'm doing different...:dunno: Maybe you can point me to the right minute in that clip..?

min. 620 i believe is a down turn. you may have been doing this, dunno I would have to watch your vid again. it was soliver that I was responding to about the down turns. Heh...I started another thread on turns in this section

brakes, turns...doesn't matter, we're all learning :-)

Unfortunately it will be hard to see in my video the turns I make, since the cam is not steady and you can't really see me turn (again, it was a cell phone camera without the ability to zoom in, so when I do turn, I'm far from the camera..)

Thanks anyway..I will watch it again

Edited : Just saw it again, looks exactly what I'm doing, raising the kite and half way in, the kite goes down into the power zone, pulling and completing the turn....correct me if I'm wrong

in your vid someone is doing up turns....er I guess thats what you call them heh...we got new guys teaching new guys here.. the experienced pilots will sit back and have a chuckle for sure a down turn is when you take the kite up high and turn down and complete a loop under and back the other direction as you turn down wind. eesh the best I can do to explain. your turns looked fine tho... the kite looked powered up and no trouble. I think up turns or apex turns are most common anyway. but maybe someone with experience should comment on this

I've embraced the downturns this past year. I used to get a little shaken by the speed and always started to think "Okay, now I better think about how to slow down". Quite often I'd let the kite ride up to zenith (my arcs would do it all on their own), edge and when life came back to reasonable for me I'd turn. Since dropping the arcs to get used to the FSers I found that letting the kite drift up resulted in some pretty serious lift, pulling me off my edge. I slowed, sure but I also lost a pile of my upwind gains.

I was told a couple of years ago about the down low, edge hard theory but at speed I'm still a little chicken. I trust the sources that told me as well as the sources above and do make a conscious effort to 'try' each time I'm out but it still hasn't clicked. Sometimes I think I just gotta learn (and master) the air gybe - that seems to be the most immediate STOP that I could think of....but you may be a few dozen feet UP once stopped.....then you have to come DOWN

I kinda like the way the downturn and the resulting path in the snow/sand looks like a big "military ribbon" when I shoot right back across my tracks - already zipping upwind out of the turn.

macboy, you just wrote what I think / do all the time :bigok:

It's like, you know what's needs to be done, yet a bit afraid to do it....just in case...:smug:

Hey guys, sorry if I used the wrong terminology for the turns, that's just what I called them when I was with Chris, and he seemed to be on the same page.

This is what I meant: (sorry if the terms are wrong). :dunno:

Up turn = looping the kite upward and turning downwind and back the other direction in the bug
Down turn = looping the kite downward and turning downwind and back the other direction in the bug--- this seems to generate way more power for me.

I don't intend to be giving instruction or acting like I know something, I just wanted to share something I have learned and embraced recently, because it's a little thing I've really found to be quite effective. I didn't intend to insinuate that you were doing your turns wrong either, I just thought you might want to try this. Mostly because I really got a lot from it.

Here is the coastal windsports page I mentioned earlier, there is a bit in there about stopping too

http://www.coastalwindsports.com/BetterBuggyBasics.html#11

this is really alot of basic stuff, but it has helped me learn, as fresh as I am.

downturns rock! Feel the power.

Grrrrrr..:evil::evil::evil: ..... would someone put an end to my misery and post a video showing those turns ????? P--l--e--a--s--e ?????

I think I'm doing what you guys said (don't get me wrong, it all works for me, just want to make sure I'm doing it the "right & safe" way ).