So this was a used bar that came with the kite i bought, and I been looking at other bars, and the from the pictures i've seen my set up is a bit different, is there anything wrong/awkward about it?





same pictures just direct

http://i50.tinypic.com/nl8rvo.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/eridt2.jpg

Lots wrong I think but I'm not familiar with that bar?

Your centre red line should also go to the trim strap. I don't get how it is attached ?

Below the bar your trim line should have have a chicken loop to hook onto your haness. That white thing is where the CL should be? .

I don't see a safety system? It is like it originaly flagged on the front red line through that ring?

The way it is set up now it looks like you adjust the length of the black front with the trin strap and the red woun't be effected? That is wrong for sure.

I have a chicken loop its just not attached, it attaches throught like a car seat belt buckle I'm not sure why its like that but it does have a safety and the safety does work,

the part that concerns me and I dont understand is the middle lines they are pretty much even but I dont think its right,

its an EH control bar, what can I do to fix this?

K, can you explain how it goes to safety?

I agree, the red front line is wrong. It should probably go through the ring. I would expect that it does that and the stopper ball sets it. ( but the ball is not set right for that ) Then your leash goes on to flag it. Is that an adjustable stopper that can be moved up ?

I don't get how that line with the stopper is terminated or why ????

The way it is set up now it looks like you adjust the length of the black front with the trim strap and the red woun't be effected? That is wrong for sure.

P.S. that bar won't work on fixed bridle foils even if set up right.

I took a few more pictures maybe it will be better instead of me trying to explain,



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theres also another stopped on the grey middle line, but its higher up the line

HMMM ,

Different? I'm sure the red line goes through the ring. Still don't understand why or what it does what it does with the pull ball? ( pull pin and the bar runs up the red line ? ) Still don't see how the red front changes length along with the black one? At least not without a stopper ball?

Maybe Dino is right and I do need skooling on bar set-ups !

yep, well I have no idea, im still rookie at this, just every control bar i've seen pictures have the two break lines right beside each other on a ring of some sort

That bar looks like a death trap to me.. The outside lines are fine but the center lines and that Chicken loop nightmare
need to go. Leave the seatbelt buckles in the car..

Rig up that loop without the buckle to the trimstrap with a simple 2 ring safety for the front lines

well this is deff going to be a learning experience :P entering a new world

I believe your bar is a 2003 Honda Civic Type R!! That really is a crazy release and I don't think it would release under pressure. Might want to check fleabay for a newer bar- don't want you to get hurt.

That car seat belt buckle is a killer for sure. They are not designed to release under pressure in case they are bumped during an accident. If you got in trouble you would be in HUGE trouble with this set up. I agree with Beachrights. Find a new bar. Or at least find some one in your area to help you fix this one before you use it.

From what I see your knots, lines and chicken loop need to be replaced. You can keep the bar and may be able to keep the depower straps if you trust it. How old is it, are the lines frayed or stitching coming undone?

Look at the different bar setups in this guide. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mx5alan/arcs/ARCsetup_FAQ.htm
You can get a chicken loop and new lines for under $100.
Look at the clam cleat design if you want to get rid or your depower straps.
Look at how the safety is connected to the ring at the top of your depower strap.
Look at the knots; these are knots that will not come undone. I wouldn't trust the knots on your bar.
Consider an Ozone Megatron chicken loop. Others work but unless you know what to look for stick with a major brand and buy new.

safety works I made sure of that, but yeah I am def going to find someone to help with it before I try and put it up again, #@%$#! now I am kind of upset I bought this, oh well its only money there is always money to be made :P

thanks guys I do appreciate the help, and to the year I have no idea I bought it with a Ocean Rodeo Bronco 6m I saw on Kijjiji for 250 so I assume its the year as the Bronco im guessing 2006 maybe, I bought before I really knew anything about this stuff oh well learning experience right

Here's another observation... that chickenloop /seatbelt "safety" setup is also longer than it should be. This puts the bar farther away from you and causes you to hold the bar closer to the assembly reducing the amount of depower throw you can use. Holding the bar close to the chickenloop all the time will powerup and can then stall the kite unless you have longer arms than the average joe or use poor stance. The only other way then to compensate is to shorten the trimstrap to trim the kite. This can leave you with little to no depower left when the wind does kick in.

If it is 2006 then you have a modified " Punch out " bar without the punch out ? That is what they used .

You say the safety works but don't explain how? I don't see it?

Search the internet for the Punch out bar and you will see what it was before abortion.

Is it too late to return this item ? Contact the seller? Ask him what he was thinking? He is no friend to the kiting community .

There appears to be a pin type safety on the chickenloop and then tied to the seatbelt. I think the seatbelt is just some kind of quick disconnect??? and not a safety??

It's not an Ocean Rodeo bar. It's an EH Cabarete bar. But I think it's not entirely EH either. :dunno: It's a Frankenbar!

The Bronco is OR's first ever kite. It could even be a 2002. It is a C kite and they have very little depower range to begin with and can easily kick your ass even if setup correctly. You paid way too much for this kite.

well the guy said something he added the seat belt because his arms were too short,

for the safety basically I pull the red strap and that pin moves back and releases the seat belt (not the actual buckle but just detaches from the loop)

well the way I look at it, the kite it self is in pretty good condition, and I couldnt find a kite and bar with lines anywhere for 250, so i dunno maybe i did pay too much but oh well its too late now,

im going to cut the seat belt buckle off soon thats for sure

K, I think I kind of get it.

I still say you run the red front through the ring and need a stopper so it and the black will trim in and out equal. Then if you pop the release the bar should run up the red line and flag the kite ????

Don't feel like you have made a huge mistake. You still have a kite and bar. Think of this as paying for your education.

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Originally posted by beachrights I believe your bar is a 2003 Honda Civic Type R!! That really is a crazy release and I don't think it would release under pressure. Might want to check fleabay for a newer bar- don't want you to get hurt.

A Honda seatbelt latch WILL NOT release with a load on it.

One of those things you learn when the car is resting on the passenger side and you are hanging suspended from your seat belt.

The only thing you can do is brace against the dead pedal to unweight.... and then release the seat belt.

As stated, the bar looks like it was cobbled together with the best intentions, but maybe not the best though put into it. If they skimped on the release, heaven only knows where what else is amiss.

Strip and rebuild with parts and materials you know you can trust.

ATB,
Sam

That bar has parts from a 5th line system. I have a couple older bar that looks like that. The red power line needs to be taken off that fat white line (normally bungee type) and put through the ring and then attached to another ring. The power line cannot be attached to the line below the trim strap because when you trim, it will only trim one power line. Power lines should always go above your trim strap in PAIRS. If that fat white line is a bungee type line like it should be, it will not work as a power line anyways. When you pull on the red ball, the whole trim strap section should release and shoot up the 5th line ( which originally should go through that metal ring).

You can salvage parts of the bar if you want. Get rid of the 5th line portion if you don't need it. If you are gonna use it on a C-kite , then its best to use the 5th line for safety reasons. I've modded two bars to bring them back to life. You have all the safety parts intact, just need to remove the seatbelt piece since the chicken loop already has a release. If you don't use it as a 5th line system, then remove the release on top also. Then replace the depower line with something longer.

U2U me if you need help. Your main problem, is the kite , if it's a C kite. Btw .. C kite with a bar is worth about $50 USD ($50 for the bar/lines and $0 for kite).

thanks guy I appreciate the help, So I removed the seat belt buckle, I believe the Ocean Rodeo Bronco is a C-kite so I do have a 5th line and plan on keeping it, I took it off tho, now that white line that the red front line is attached I don't think its a bungee type (I'm assuming bungee types are stretchy/springy?)


I'm going to attempt to make some changes soon so illl see how it goes

I wish this issue had come up 2 days earlier- i just sold my Liquid Force Havoc 5th line bar on Fleabay! That and my Pansh would have set you up cheap- and safe!

YES, if the kite has a fifth line attachment then you definately want to rebuild that thing to work as a 5 line.
Here is a link to OR's 5line kit manual. It should give you the basics of how to build your own.
http://oceanrodeo.com/images/uploads/kiting/pdf/5th_Line_Man...

oh sweet! thanks for that!

damn you guys are good

Big-d and I have had several u2u conversations about kites and bars- we need to get him steered in the right direction [no pun intended!] Seems to be a good guy who just needs some good advice - The amount of info in the above posts from members is outstanding in my opinion [hell, even Sam had some interesting facts about seatbelt release and deadweight! ]

One thing we have not looked into is there anyone who lives near him that could help in person?

If it's not bungee, the fifth line itself should have a portion that is bungee before it attaches to that line below the trim strap. Both power line needs to go on top of the trim strap.
Here's a pic I found on the web of a similar setup. You add another ring after the trim strap or farther up the line on a single front line and then attach both your power line. The fifth line then goes through the metal ring on top of your trim strap.

The manual Bladerunner posted is of the newer design for 5th line where the 5th line goes through your bar. Your will need to make sure your bar has a hole that is wide enough for the extra line. The newer design actually has issues of the 5th line wrapping around the depower line and not working. The older design actually works better.

The pic below is pretty much of what your bar is suppose to be setup before it was butchered.

big_d is in my neck of the woods. i've sent him a u2u and can meet up as schedules and wind permit.
(just don't think that i'll use the frakenharness :o )

Here's another pic I found on kiteforum.com