I normally ride depower kite.
The bigger depower i got is 9m².
Got a 4m² with handle.
Got a 6m² depower and a flow 2m² with bar no depower.

Now would like to expend my quiver for low wind.
check for a Bull from conceptair 11 or 13m³ but their not in production at this time.
Classic ozone access or frenzy
Than someone suggest me a 21m² flysurfer (llooll very to big and expensive).

low wind between 4 and 12.
i'am ±260

what your riding in low wind condition? or you stay home or drink a small cold can?

:puzzled::puzzled::puzzled:

low wind depower is probably going to be expensive, so get a 10-12 meter FB foil like a PKD Century II or like. I bugged in 5mph wind with my 10m Century II

I use a 7m Nasa Star 2 from about 6 knots to 12 knots and a 10m Nasa Star 2 from about 5 knots to 10 knots. (for buggying) Very friendly, but slow, kites. Can't break 'em. Cheap as chips - 179 Euro's for the 7m kite only.

Edit: regularly buggy with a friend who has a 10m Century - and it's a really good low wind kite too.

try some of the late model bow kites and you will be amazed, total depower, easy relaunch and tons of power when and where you want it

I usually go to my 18m Phanny, but after this last bash with the light winds I will also be looking for something bigger/ better suited.

I usually don't have a problem with the Phanny, but this time I was a little bummed because it just wasn't enough. Thinking about going with a big FB kite , should have bought that 14m JOJO off Sunset Jim!

That 21m Speed 3 or a 19m Speed 2 would be just the trick. I have had success in low winds with an 18m Phantom I and Reactors 10.3/10.8m . Just got a 10.8m HQ Prodigy but haven't flown it yet. It is higher aspect than the Reactor II so I have high hopes for it to be a session saver as well.

I have a Vapor 9.4 that would work in those conditions. I also have a 16.1 Vapor that is ridiculously powerful. If you can get this beast to launch and there is a bugs fart of wind it will generate it's own apparent wind. The only thing is it has a very limited wind range because of it's power. 10-12mph in a buggy would probably be max for me...then I just get scared

I'm actually looking for a nice 11-12m that would sit right in the middle.

Oh, I almost forgot..I also have a 10.8 reactor 2 that would be good in those winds. Not quite as powerful as the Vapors but pretty darn close....

It's the really low end that makes it hard, to fly from 6-7 up I use an 8 m toxic that will have you blasting along by the time you hit 12.

I also have a 13.4 m vapor, but it's wind range is so limited to make it only down to the lower end.

If you had the bucks a 13 m ozone frenzy would fit the bill, depowers are just so friendly, not the quickest but certainly the biggest wind range.

Down at the very lowest of the low wind speeds you'd be hard pushed to go past a huge NASA wing, they come in unbelievable sizes, and I've watched one local still fly his when all other kites are on the ground.

I board with my 14m Eskimo and that does well down to 5mph. Before that my low wind weapon was my Bego 600 (6m) and that was a great low wind weapon too. I weigh 145#s.

As long as I can keep the 19m Speed3 in the air, I can ride(Not much fun but I can ride).
But yeah, it WILL break the bank.

Clive and Lunchbox are on it! Fixed bridle especially big Vapors are excellent light wind engines. If a windsock will flutter my 11.2 Vapor will go with 30m Ozone lines.
And when that is gets too powerful my 18m Phantom ready to go.

Chris C1

10m PKD Century II

My low wind de-power is Spleene X19 .... that will take big chunk of you wallet ... and if riding land ... I use FB kite Gin Tonkawa 15m ,,, that get mw riding in no wind conditions .... lol .... I use it a lot this winter when others wait for more wind ... but price for kite is way up there ....
.. for low budget .. I think my Gin Eskimo 14m was best ... got me going so many times when I was ready to give up ....

My f-arc 1600 is an amazing low wind machine. It takes off at 3 mph and I can easily ride at about 5-6mph. And Why I mean ride I mean dive the kite and park it. I can also ride upwind with ease if I am rolling. I am only 135 pounds with my board so you could probably ride with some sineing of the kite. By 12mph the kite is starting to get scary for me but will probably be a hoot for you. You should probably have some arc experience though because an f-arc will loft you if you make a mistake. It goes up wind like a dream. I can go probably within 15 degrees to directly up wind. It also Is a amazing jumping and hang time machine. The best part is they sell for less than $250 new!!!! You could probably find a used one for about $100-150. That's a lot of kite for a little cash.

A few years ago here in Australia we had a bit of a competition about who could buggy in the lowest wind. The rules were that you had to have a video showing that you could travel at least 100m, return to the starting point and show a wind reading in the video. Here was my effort with a 15m speed 3.
5 knots on the day, but 4 knots would be the bottom end. At that speed if the kite stops moving it falls out of the sky.

https://vimeo.com/36205086

Or have you heard of elf kites

As the wind comes up from nothing my Reflex 10m is usually the first kite in the sky and when the others are dropped I am still flying. Here is a video of me flying in next to nothing for wind, I was desperate.
If you want advice on flying in low wind, you can't do better than asking a Vancouverite. We have more chance to practice these skills than anyone.
S

I was going to say you should see my buddy Scudley and his big green thing, it'll fly in a gnats fart for wind.

and it's only a 10?
see ya soon!
C 1

And for really low wind, try the. 12.5 century Soulfly.

I use to rely on my 14m jojo rm+ for anything from sub 5mph wind on up to 10, which is up for sale. I now use a 15.4m PKD Combat. It not only now allows to to fly with even a little less wind, but now can move a bit quicker.

Is t the range on a combat that size really narrow? Like a 16vapor seems like it could t stand much increase in wind

Flysurfer speed3 15m deluxe... very nice!

But it's not like ozone; no link between the brake lines.
If i run exclusively on grass self lauch could be a problem, i'll need to be two person... same thing to land the kite.

For those who ride flysurfer... how you manage the lauch / landing by your own on grass?

Quote: Originally posted by BeamerBob

Is t the range on a combat that size really narrow? Like a 16vapor seems like it could t stand much increase in wind

If ya take in other factors other than just wind speed, such as direction of travel and surface conditions, it can change the "wind window" quite a bit. So when I say for example that 10mph is an upper end for either the 15.4m Combat or the 14m RM+, what I'm saying is that I have had them out in that wind speed and it was still manageable. I may have had to either ride more in softer sand or stay out of the powerzone more, but is doable.

Quote: Originally posted by djinnzfree

Flysurfer speed3 15m deluxe... very nice! For those who ride flysurfer... how you manage the lauch / landing by your own on grass?

I use a kite stake and stake my back lines. Then go to the kite and assist it filling . I tug on the front lines a bit at the kite once it has some air to give it more if needed.

I would back the kite down using my OS handles and stake the back lines again. If the wind was too strong I would take it down the edge and then go to fifth line safety.

This was with my 13M Psycho ( and 7m Pulse ) though.

Quote: Originally posted by djinnzfree

For those who ride flysurfer... how you manage the landing by your own on grass?

I created a landling line like HQ, Ozone, Gin, etc. use and fastened to the rear line leaders on the bar side and I made mine with a center loop to accomodate a ground stake and I put stopper balls on the leader to cover the knots which served to double as a grip if i used the landing line to back the kite down to the ground in a controlled fashion (as opposed to just grapping the middle of the line and collapsing the kite).

The set up worked very well but I tired of strugglineg with a fully inflated FS on the ground popping ground stakes and generally being a PIA if the kite was flown in its upper wind limits so I sold it for another open cell foil.

Quote: Originally posted by djinnzfree

Flysurfer speed3 15m deluxe... very nice! But it's not like ozone; no link between the brake lines. If i run exclusively on grass self lauch could be a problem, i'll need to be two person... same thing to land the kite. For those who ride flysurfer... how you manage the lauch / landing by your own on grass?

I never use ground stakes, just flip the buggy upside down and use it as a ground anchor. I have a clip on the buggy and simply clip the rear leaders of the flysurfer in above one of the knots (black stopper ball), no need for a connection strap.




I kite by myself 99% of the time, so plenty of practice self launching and landing.
With flysurfers on grass, just unroll and secure the back lines before unfolding the kite. If the wind is light then i don't need to secure the kite, for launching or landing, it will just sit there. If the wind is stronger, I use a sand bag on one wing tip to launch. Then I land on the safety, clip the safety to the upturned buggy and go and throw my harness or the sandbag back on the wingtip. It can create a bit of a mess landing on the safety, but its always safest to self land on the safety in strong winds :D

Well I'm kind of partial to my 11m UL Frenzy. Now I do recall a day at sunset when all of the FB fliers were sitting in their chairs, and the only people out were the two depower fliers.


Depower rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fixed bridal drools!!!!!!!!!

Does someones got experienced the OZONE access 12m² from 2013?
2013 seams not a good years for the frenzy's...

Quote: Originally posted by csa_deadon

Well I'm kind of partial to my 11m UL Frenzy. Now I do recall a day at sunset when all of the FB fliers were sitting in their chairs, and the only people out were the two depower fliers. Depower rules!!!!!!!!!!!!! fixed bridal drools!!!!!!!!!

I challenge you to back that up

Quote: Originally posted by sand flea

I was going to say you should see my buddy Scudley and his big green thing, it'll fly in a gnats fart for wind. and it's only a 10? see ya soon! C 1

Thanks Chris. It is nice to be only one here whose claims have been seconded.
It is only 10m.
In about 2 weeks!
Maybe we will have the opportunity to have a low wind fly off at spring SOBB; $20 to enter; last man flying wins the pot. Anyone interested?
S

Quote: Originally posted by Scudley

Quote: Originally posted by sand flea   I was going to say you should see my buddy Scudley and his big green thing, it'll fly in a gnats fart for wind. and it's only a 10? see ya soon! C 1 Thanks Chris. It is nice to be only one here whose claims have been seconded. It is only 10m. In about 2 weeks! Maybe we will have the opportunity to have a low wind fly off at spring SOBB; $20 to enter; last man flying wins the pot. Anyone interested? S

That could be pretty interesting.