Yup. Another Toxic review. 4 meter first then the 3m. Then others as they are acquired. Seems they are quite the kite these days. Picked up a 4m after much deliberation. I have a full Flow quiver, and a patched buggy quiver. I am trying to clean things up and decided on a clean slate for the buggy. My Bullets, and Rages are fine buggy engines. I am just looking for something a little more faster and higher AR. I think I found it in the Toxic. I started in the middle of the road as far as size goes, then will build up and down as needed.

The first impressions are as others have stated here. Quality bag. Quality bridles. Quality build. Lets not forget the extra super crispy ripstop. I don't know what HQ puts on their kites, but its like a bag of Doritos crispy I tell ya!

Just a simple static session today as I do with all new/new to me kites I get. Had relatively clean wind today from the SW@5-10. After a quick unpack and hook-up, off she went. Only took a few minutes to get the brakes adjusted to my liking. I wound up setting them on the third knot up from the bottom of the brake leader line. What a dream of a kite to fly. Though geared as a buggy engine, I had absolute no issues flying it static today!! Pretty quick, and TURNS ON A DIME! Lots of pull, and very stable. I have flown the 4m Crossfire II a few times before this purchase. I found the Toxic to be more responsive to brakes, and less prone to tip-tuck. Also can handle holding its shape better while floating backwards without deflating. Seems the wing as a whole has just a little bit different shape and different leading edge vents over the Crossfires.

Overall very pleased with this new kite. Really looking forward to getting into the buggy with it and getting a few other sizes. More updates to follow. Here a few simple pics my wife took today.

You should have called me. I would have been there for sure..

It was a last minute thing. I had just finished up helping a friend move some furniture . My wife met me there and brought the Toxic. You are REALLY going to dig this wing bud :evil:

I really enjoyed the 2M I flew. I know there are several toxics in my future. Just a matter of time.

I'm gonna try for the 2m next, then the 5 and 3 in that order. Still wowed by how good that sucker felt yesterday :o

I think it is so funny how these things have been around for three years now and people are only just now realizing how awesome they are. The crispy cannot be overstated. They are starched like grandpa's shirts. I can stand the 8m up indoors and it almost looks inflated like it was out in the breeze.

Yeah, I'm still putting the funds together for the full set..I've been wanting these since I first flew Chris' 2M last year..

Yep, I want the 2m the 3m and the 5m for sure, even though my Charger covers the wind range down to about the 5m size.

I need to sell some gear to make room first but I plan on the whole set at one time..

The 2,3,and 4 are my most used sizes. 4 Especially for my field.

The smallest fixed bridle power kite I have ever flown is my 5.0 m Tensor... I think I fly more powered than most of you guys. I consider wind starting to get dangerous if it is too much for a 5m. You are talking 25+ which in my expeience makes for a lot of scary gusts.

Without getting too OT, our local crew blazes down the winter beaches with two meters all the time. I mean BLAZE!!!

http://vimeo.com/53914152

Little kites rule! :evil:

There are two ways to make power. By sheer size,which increases low end grunt at the expense of speed. Or by being faster through the window, with less power to get you moving at first ,as with a 2m. A 2m kite wil outfly a 5m all day,just has to be worked harder.

I guess my conditions are just not the best for a smaller kite because sometimes my beach is not super hard packed and I need torque over top end to power through the soft patches. One of my secret weapons is the Toxic at least. There, brought it back on topic

I buggied with Demoknoight last weekend and probably would have been comfortable with the 3 meter but I kept getting stuck on the random soft spots and had a hard time going up wind. I went to the 4 meter twister which is in the medium ar range like the toxic and that pretty much solved all of my problems. I couldn't believe how fast we got going. Now if I can get that whole turning thing down I will be in good shape. I didn't have too much trouble turning at lower speeds, but at higher speeds and side slipping on the random ice spots was another story. That was an eye opening experience. Much different then the grass fields I ride in. I still have a lot to learn.

I did some personal best speeds that day. I didn't have my GPS running for my fastest runs, but I did a few around 33mph. The fastest run I did felt like 100mph, but I bet was maybe barely getting close to 40 Wish the wind was just a little lower so I could have gotten the Toxic out. I bet it would have been faster than the Charger.

I can't even imagine how powerful your toxic would have been that day. I am wanting a 5 meter toxic now to sit between my 4 meter and 6.6 meter.

Wow, I'm late to another Toxic party... I must be busy nesting.

Great review Jason, since I've gotten my Toxic, I've realized the value of clean wind and middle range AR kites. I LOVE my 3m Toxic, but it only plays nice when the wind is clean.

Congrats on the new kite and enjoy... We'll have to have a Toxic party at JIBE.

Thanks Spencer. It was only a first impression but it sure was fun to fly. It could have pulled the buggy in 10mph. No speed records, but it would have pulled it. I am hoping to have one or two more Toxics by JIBE, but I'll have to see. I sure would like to have a full set. Just something about them. They are very refreshing to fly. I really dig the multicolored bridles too. But dang I wish they had 25m lines :sniff:
These girls could really sing then. Prolly gonna be having a kite sale here very shortly

Whatcha gonna sell?

Well gang,... I officially have to resend my membership from the Toxic club... The Atlanta wind just does not jive with the Toxic. I went out on my lunch break on Thursday in some typical janky 10-14mph wind with my 3m Toxic and my 2.6m PL Viper S and consequently I found the Viper's lower AR (3.8) and higher stability doing OH so much more than the Toxic in the same winds... It seemed like the Viper was just pulling like a little truck, where the Toxic was jittery and luffing.

I know it's an awesome kite it the right winds, it just doesn't make sense to hang on to a kite that won't perform for me in the conditions I fly in 99% of the time. So I sold it to 3shot... Congrats Jason!! You went from 0 Toxics to 3 Toxics uber fast!

0-3 wasn't planned that way.
Just good deals from good friends. I must agree with Soliver's statements. The Toxic likes clean wind. Not a fault, but by design. I was very fortunate to get the feel for them from flying riffclown's Crossfire IIs. Seems a lot of the people here that have them mostly park and ride them in the desert or ocean front. That is where they shine. Awesome kite if you can provide the conditions for which they like. Definitely not a janky wind kite. Just thought I would put this out there in support of Soliver's experience.

I 3rd the janky wind remarks. It seems I have to chime in every time I see an update or a new Toxic post... The 8m flies so freaking well in clean winds on my beach, but if the beach is too crowded and I have to fly at my park, I can basically forget it. It doesn't like turbulence, and it will invert and bowtie every time you get too close to the edge of the wind and there is the slightest shift. I think that has more to do with how far out of the window it will fly than a stability issue, but still, it happens. In light(<3) winds, you can fly it straight to zenith and do static deadmans with the 8m. I will have to try to get a video of that some time because it is so damn cool looking.

Exactly Demoknight! I also agree they can outfly the window very easily from speed too. Seems if you can get your buggy at the proper angle to the wind with clean air, life is good . Not enough angle and the Toxic will easily over fly/outrun your buggy causing collapse. With clean wind its not so much an issue as you can sign the kite enough to keep it in its preferred window location. They really do love brake turns.
IMHO.

I have also had a ton of success just flying slightly overpowered on the 8m at the upper end of its range 12-15mph. Once you get that much wind, the line drag tends to keep it from overflying too much. As long as you also have a touch of the brakes you can park it easily on the edge or at zenith with no fuss.

Quote: Originally posted by 3shot

The Toxic likes clean wind. Not a fault, but by design. I was very fortunate to get the feel for them from flying riffclown's Crossfire IIs. Seems a lot of the people here that have them mostly park and ride them in the desert or ocean front. That is where they shine. Awesome kite if you can provide the conditions for which they like. Definitely not a janky wind kite. Just thought I would put this out there in support of Soliver's experience.

+1 Definitely not a kite you want to take for granted..

So. I had an hour late this evening to spare so I grabbed my new to me Toxic 3m and headed to my school ground. No buggy runs, just a plain static flight to get used to the feel first. Wind was about a steady WSW 15mph. Great kite! Pretty dang fast too. First thing I noticed right off the bat is this 3m is a lot more twitchy than the 4m. To be expected when stepping down fpr size in a smaller HP kite. I can only imagine the 2m is even more so. Like when I overdose on black coffee LOL. That's not a bad thing, just needs to be expected, understood, and adapted to. I also noticed, the 3m needs a little more finesse at the edge of the window than the 4m. It "seemed" to me the 3m preferred front line steering over the brakes close to the edge. A very little amount of brake is ok, but brake turn her hard at the edge and she will fold up. Again, the 4m was not as affected by this method. I can now only assume the 5m would be even more well behaved than the 4m. Of course all this so far with the 3 and 4m is static flights. Hard to static review a kite that is meant to be in a buggy. As soon as I get a chance to get some seat time, I'll update things. Also let my oldest fly her Symphony 1.4m for a while. She had a blast.

Awesome, glad you like it buddy... Give him a nice home for me!

Should get my Octane tomorrow.

Thanks Spencer. I can't wait to fly the 8m that's been patiently waiting too. Hope to get these in a buggy run very soon. Especially beach air!!!

Hey, speaking of the 8m...





The 8m is one massive piece of FB ripstop!! Would also love to secure the 5m For JIBE and the Wright Kite Festival. Going to be a stretch, but my fingers are crossed.