whoo it looks awesome!
I'm pushing the get a demo in the NW!


http://ozonekitesusa.com/proddetail.asp?prod=ozone2014_chron...
http://flyozone.com/kitesurf/en/products/kites/chrono/info/

Designer Tech Talk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv9rgjgAHIQ

Tips and Techniques:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUhznfdatmw

I am curious about how the Chrono and the Edge ? ( Ozone's race LEI ) stand against each other ?

I feel like Oz is possibly getting into this style kite to keep winning races on the water and hope it will be a winner with the buggies in turn ?

Speed isn't # 1 on my list so I expect I'll just watch . Maybe give it a twist if Eli can snag a Demo !!! :cool2:

with Ozones cutting edge technology

this kites got me droolin'

they have been in the game the longest.

I'm feeling they keep dialing in the physics and raise the bar on quality and performance year after year!

Super sweet looking foils!

this looks like a nice kite! Would love to try one of these out and compare it to the speed.

Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner

I am curious about how the Chrono and the Edge ? ( Ozone's race LEI ) stand against each other ? I feel like Oz is possibly getting into this style kite to keep winning races on the water and hope it will be a winner with the buggies in turn ? Speed isn't # 1 on my list so I expect I'll just watch . Maybe give it a twist if Eli can snag a Demo !!! :cool2:

Chrono will be the next thing to keep winning. Here in Cali the Edges are the fleet for racing.

Quantum is already winning races in Europe.

My 2 cents based on internet research and looking at videos and pictures.

Chrono and Elf are in the same class - dedicated race and upwind machines.
FSers will have better all around usability... and wind range.
Chrono will be a major PITA if something hits the fan - no LCLs... enjoy broken canopy and hours replacing bridle lines.
It doesn't seem to have an adjustable mixer/speed system so good luck with that.
This is the first closed cell foil from Ozone...

So for the price of a Speed4 you can get yourself a... Speed2. Without LCLs.

You sound super bias...

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My 2 cents based on internet research and looking at videos and pictures. Chrono and Elf are in the same class - dedicated race and upwind machines. FSers will have better all around usability... and wind range. Chrono will be a major PITA if something hits the fan - no LCLs... enjoy broken canopy and hours replacing bridle lines. It doesn't seem to have an adjustable mixer/speed system so good luck with that. This is the first closed cell foil from Ozone... So for the price of a Speed4 you can get yourself a... Speed2. Without LCLs.

I am not sure Kami is biased so much as critical ? He tries out and flies a lot of stuff and I appreciate how he calls them as he sees them.

LCL are such a simple way to protect your investment. I have always wondered why other foil makers don't add them ? Is it possible PL has a patent ? Even Pansh has made an effort to add them.

All that I read leads me to believe this kite is dedicated to speed. I still have a feeling this investment is all about winning races on water. I hope it is a success and they follow up with a more freestyle oriented foil .

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LCL are such a simple way to protect your investment. I have always wondered why other foil makers don't add them ?

My guess is that they don't simply because its a extra work to create and tie them on.

Kami is simply reposting the key points from a thread at Foilzone. I'm not sure if those points are from an end user perspective or postulation as the original poster didn't state whether he has flown the kite or is expressing concerns from what he has seen of the videos.

They position this kite as a boosting machine but there are no videos of anyone boosting any major air on it. Regardless, both it and the speed are way out of my price range and I'm no fan of securing closed cell kites on the ground in their upper wind limits.

I have to agree somewhat with Kami's position. But as Sam points out, the concerns about it's performance are a bit subjective with very little firsthand information coming back from real world users. When consumers who are not in anyway attached can give feed back, then we will know.

Without a doubt, the Chrono is closer in relation to ELF or Paravis than Speeds. The Elf is an amazing kite and blows the Speed out of the water in a race environment with the right rider driving it. When you see it first hand it's unreal. But the Elf is more or less a one trick pony. It would be all but useless here if the conditions aren't right and there's some suspicion that the Chrono may be the same kind of animal. Until we have one in hand I'm holding off on any opinion either way. We were planning to bring an 18m in but have decided to wait as our season is coming to an end and it will allow for more long term use reports.

In regards to FS features like LCLs, adjustable mixer etc. as much as these are valuable features on FS models I'm not concerned that other kites don't share in those same features. Lots of kites do just fine and have a good record of survivability and performance without them. Ozone makes good stuff and I suspect if they thought there was a serious need in their design they would have some kind of equivalent system.

It will be interesting to see how the kite does. Until we see some real comparisons by multiple riders and skillsets I'm keeping an open mind.

The Chrono is pretty light wind specific. Just saying.


As far as the statement of the Chrono being the first closed cell foil...NOT TRUE.

I have flown several close celled Ozone Prototypes. All worked well.

Has anyone actually seen the kite, how do you know it doesn't have and Lcl? Or something comparable to better?

anyways, I'm looking forward to trying this master piece out!

If you're worried about gusty or boosting big jumps perhaps crashing down with the kite in the water. You're always better off with Bridles LEIs

Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner

I am not sure Kami is biased so much as critical ? He tries out and flies a lot of stuff and I appreciate how he calls them as he sees them. LCL are such a simple way to protect your investment. I have always wondered why other foil makers don't add them ? Is it possible PL has a patent ? Even Pansh has made an effort to add them. All that I read leads me to believe this kite is dedicated to speed. I still have a feeling this investment is all about winning races on water. I hope it is a success and they follow up with a more freestyle oriented foil .

Not I'm not biased... FSers work for me, but there are plenty of things I could live without about them I am, however, a total Axis fan boy :D

Rob Whittal in one of the promo videos says "This is the first closed cell foil from Ozone" already had that argument.

Apparently it wee-weds all over the Speed2 so that's not a fair comparison but for me, the S2 and P3 weren't good kites for my local conditions. I don't think the Elf or Chrono would be, either. I can cope with the S3/P4 with the Triple Depower in most conditions, but for peace of mind there are times of year when I just won't fly them limitation of the foils. There are other times though when they save the session or are simply phenomenal.

No LCLs... have fun replacing bridle lines :o

The Chrono is an excellent light wind kite. Even the 12mt version is enough in anything under 12knots. Especially if you're riding a foil board. I've not yet flown one, but have seen it for at least a week now and it has a fantastic light-weight and pull factor that I've not seen on any kite, including the Flysurfers. The FS Speed 3 intact is heavier than the Chrono 15mt version. And I think the design of the Chrono being a thinner kite with a wider apex is the reason why it is so good in light winds. The price factor is the only reason at this stage, that I am still considering the Lotus over the Chrono or even a Speed 3.

WTF is a wider apex?

wind window edge?

I think he means the wingtips are farther apart while in the air, meaning a flatter profile. Think arc vs closed cell foil.

Quote: Originally posted by Demoknight

I think he means the wingtips are farther apart while in the air, meaning a flatter profile. Think arc vs closed cell foil.

Correct!

And Kami, please town down your language man. You do it everywhere incl Seabreeze. You're just coming across like someone with a chip on their shoulder and an axe to grind.

Im thinking to convert a second generation 17 m Ozone Yakuza to closed cell and depower. Anyone got any experience with this?

John at powerzone is likely your best bet. He does great work.

Quote: Originally posted by loftywinds

Quote: Originally posted by Demoknight   I think he means the wingtips are farther apart while in the air, meaning a flatter profile. Think arc vs closed cell foil. Correct! And Kami, please town down your language man. You do it everywhere incl Seabreeze. You're just coming across like someone with a chip on their shoulder and an axe to grind.

While on the other hand, you're out mad-pimping a kite you've seen but haven't used, merely because you love the brand

Tone down your language dude, seriously? What are you, our mother? Don't you know it's been scientifically proven that people who use bad language are more trustworthy?

Didn't realize Australians were such sensitive prudes... :o

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Didn't realize Australians were such sensitive prudes...

Not all of us, just some.

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The Chrono is an excellent light wind kite. Even the 12mt version is enough in anything under 12knots. Especially if you're riding a foil board. I've not yet flown one, but have seen it for at least a week now and it has a fantastic light-weight and pull factor that I've not seen on any kite, including the Flysurfers. The FS Speed 3 intact is heavier than the Chrono 15mt version. And I think the design of the Chrono being a thinner kite with a wider apex is the reason why it is so good in light winds. The price factor is the only reason at this stage, that I am still considering the Lotus over the Chrono or even a Speed 3.

Where did you find the weight of the Chrono? I can't find it anywhere.
Even if the 15m Chrono is lighter then standard 12m speed3, so what? A delux 15m speed3 is lighter too and the new lotus is lighter again.
Also, getting going in light wind on a foil board isn't an ideal test. Light wind is what foil boards are great at.

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Not all of us, just some.

Bloody good to hear! :D

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Where did you find the weight of the Chrono? I can't find it anywhere. Even if the 15m Chrono is lighter then standard 12m speed3, so what? A delux 15m speed3 is lighter too and the new lotus is lighter again. Also, getting going in light wind on a foil board isn't an ideal test. Light wind is what foil boards are great at.

Foil boards are cheap to buy and easy to learn...

Rob Whittal in one of the promo videos says "This is the first closed cell foil from Ozone"


sorry pal, you are very wrong here!

It's there first production closed cell they've released sure. But certainly not the first one they have ever made!!! I know first hand!

I've been flying Ozone kites since 2003. And all other brand from 1994 till then. Even the JOJO Closed cells 2 Line water relaunchable.

I'm stating that I don't think FS kites are bad. I'm starting a thread for those curious about the Chrono.

Quote: Originally posted by USA_Eli_A

Quote: Rob Whittal in one of the promo videos says "This is the first closed cell foil from Ozone" sorry pal, you are very wrong here! It's there first production closed cell they've released sure. But certainly not the first one they have ever made!!! I know first hand! I've been flying Ozone kites since 2003. And all other brand from 1994 till then. Even the JOJO Closed cells 2 Line water relaunchable. I'm stating that I don't think FS kites are bad. I'm starting a thread for those curious about the Chrono.

Better pass that on to Rob then... bit odd that the designer who founded the company got it wrong :puzzled:

I think Ozone fanboydom is bad :D I'm curious too but the more I look, the more it looks like a reinvention of the Elf wheel and not, despite the unpaid marketers whooping it up, the solution to ultimate kiting performance. Time will tell.

Sorry, I thought that was a direct quote. It's actually "Ozone's first closed cell depower foil kite"...

sticking with my original statement. I have flown many Ozone Closed Cell Prototypes dating back as far as 2005!

Would you mind starting your own thread?

I've met Rob.

I fully believe the Chrono will blow your mind. It's the ultimate, "i can kite when you can't machine"

thanks for your input Kamikuza...you haven't flown the Chrono, so you Don't know!
http://www.ozonekitesusa.com/ozone-tearmrider-details.asp?id...

Quote: Originally posted by Kamikuza

Quote: Originally posted by USA_Eli_A   Quote: Rob Whittal in one of the promo videos says "This is the first closed cell foil from Ozone" sorry pal, you are very wrong here! It's there first production closed cell they've released sure. But certainly not the first one they have ever made!!! I know first hand! I've been flying Ozone kites since 2003. And all other brand from 1994 till then. Even the JOJO Closed cells 2 Line water relaunchable. I'm stating that I don't think FS kites are bad. I'm starting a thread for those curious about the Chrono. Better pass that on to Rob then... bit odd that the designer who founded the company got it wrong :puzzled: I think Ozone fanboydom is bad :D I'm curious too but the more I look, the more it looks like a reinvention of the Elf wheel and not, despite the unpaid marketers whooping it up, the solution to ultimate kiting performance. Time will tell.

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sticking with my original statement. I have flown many Ozone Closed Cell Prototypes dating back as far as 2005!

You can disagree with me all you like, but are you seriously telling us you're disagreeing with the actual guy who actually said it in the video he made to promote the product he designed for the company he started?

Cos that blows my mind...

I think the statements from both Eli and the Rob are true. Protos or no protos, Ozone has never brought a closed cell foil into production. So this is their "first closed cell foil" to enter production. Kami, I really don't understand why you have such a hard time with that and why you have such a bone to pick with this kite. If you don't like it don't buy it. That's how the free market works.

How many protos never see the light of day on the open market? The only one that counts is the one that comes to market. The statement is true - both Eli's and Rob's. Let it go.

Biased?

Quote: Originally posted by USA_Eli_A

they have been in the game the longest.

That's simply not true, check your kite history.
As for performance of the Chrono, snowkite racing seems the most valid purpose for it, yes it does lift like crazy if you fancy a bit of freestyle but if you don't have the skills (or shifty winds), it 'll drop you out the sky like a brick, scary stuff.
As far as innovation goes.. they claim to have invented more things that others have been doing for years (like the tension straps in the Quantum for instance, have been in PL Arc's for over 10 years)

Closed cell Ozone's, that whatsitsnameagain, was almost a copy of an arc but with bridles, but did it ever make it into production? No, why? They couldn't get it stable enough to be safe.

I don't have anything negative to say about Ozone's new kites or Ozone in general, they make quality gear. But making things prettier than they really are, that IMO is biased or just plain marketing BS.