I see that Pansh has come out with some larger sizes in the Adam line up.

Now they are up to 8.5m and the kite is still called a " trainer " ?
This confuses me ? It made sense to call them a trainer when they came out in the smaller sizes .

I have a suspicion that the 8.5m will be a very good low wind engine ? That is if it is designed as an engine ? Not as a trainer.

To me, a trainer kite is one that has stability over lift. It will sit back and not generate good upwind. A kite that is designed more for flying static than in motion ?

I looked at the description on the 5.5 and I didn't see that they called it a trainer kite. It is a tempting offer.

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I looked at the description on the 5.5 and I didn't see that they called it a trainer kite. It is a tempting offer.

The 5.5 shows the sale under Features. The others say, closed cell trainer in that section.

weight(pilot) to power ratio ....a 2m foil would power 20kgs of pilot weight nicely within 20-30knots.. very large safety margin for even small adult of 40kgs.

and sensitivity! you want a trainer very quick and sensitive to SLOW hands down and make pilot use reduced input for control rather than snatching it around.

still being a "trainee" INCLUDES condition selection, so there is personal judgement that makes up the remaining margin of safety---->knowledge very powerful

Ha, I missed that BR. I don't know what makes a trainer kite. I think of a trainer kite as any kite soley designed with kite surfing in mind as the ultimate goal. Oddly enough most of those kites are 3 line which IMO are not as good at training as 4 line.

Good point ssayre.

I think I might have been confusing myself by thinking of the Beamer / Buster as a " trainer ".

I am not out to Pansh bash. I suspect that the 8.5m will work well as a low wind engine on handles ? Like a Comp Kitesurfer XL ? How have the smaller Adams performed in motion ?

Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner

I see that Pansh has come out with some larger sizes in the Adam line up. Now they are up to 8.5m and the kite is still called a " trainer " ?

I wonder about Pansh. Do kiters own the company or are they just out to try and make some money?

I know someone who wanted to try out powerkiting but didn't want to spend much on a kite. He bought a 2m Legend because it was cheap and listed on the Pansh site as being a beginner/Intermediate kite.

This is a hard kite to buggy with! It has some bad habits and bad manners. I've never had a successful session with it. He never had good luck static flying it and gave it too me.

Pansh could be a player in this market if only they'd refine all their kites so they only had good kites and not kites with known reputations and anyone who knows about the models doesn't buy or desire to fly them.

Bigkid did a great write up on the various models here:

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=21085

I don't know how they expect to continue to sell old unrefined kite designs year after year. 10 years from now if Pansh is still around; I wonder if they will still be trying to sell the exact same models as they have now?

I don't know the legend. I hear the flux is similar to the Ozone Octane or peterlynn hornet. I sure would like to demo one and see what they fly like.

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by pyro I don't know the legend. I hear the flux is similar to the Ozone Octane or peterlynn hornet. I sure would like to demo one and see what they fly like.

I would like to try one as well. It looks like its a medium aspect kite that might work for my inland conditions. I need a 6 or 7 meter for my light wind days.

"If you are dissatisfied with our products when they are delivered or disappointed with our services, we can accept your request for a return and refund of your purchase within 15 days from the delivery."

http://www.panshkite.com/index.php?gOo=help_copyright.dwt

I have noticed that kite surfers with no other traction experience seem to all call any kite that you don't have to pump up a "trainer kite" and it really irks me. One time a guy called my toxic a trainer kite to a spectator that saw me bugging around and asked the surfer what I was doing. I handed the toxic handles to him and he struggled to get it off the ground. When he finally successfully launched, he also successfully supermanned. I changed his mind about trainer kites.

In my opinion a trainer kite is a marketing gimmick. If you plan to buy a kite to teach you how to fly a kite you will use for a traction sport, either buy one in a smaller size for high wind later, or buy a drug store 2 liner to see if kiting even makes sense to you.

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One time a guy called my toxic a trainer kite to a spectator that saw me bugging around and asked the surfer what I was doing.

The same thing happened to me when I was in Florida. A local said he liked my trainer kite and said I should try kitesurfing. I was flying the blade 6.6 at the time.

Got to love kite surfers that don't know a thing about our FB kites.

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To me, a trainer kite is one that has stability over lift.

Agree,
I learned kiting last summer from a popular "trainer" called 3.5m Hydra2....flying static in the field from about 10-40kph wind speed....with enough confidence and flying hours, bought a depower 9.5m Montana4 about 4 months later....I continued my self-kite training by flying static in the field but flying Montana4 only when the wind speed is less the 15kph.....because I noticed that if the wind is above 15kph, Montana seemed to lift my feet off the ground....which scares me to loose control and get off-balance and fall.....Then Winter 2014 came and I was able to apply my field training in the snow with skis.....I noticed that Hydra2 can also move my 176lbs. weight and able to fly and cruise upwind direction if the wind is above 25kph.....and faster as the wind goes more stronger than 25kph as shown in my avatar pic that was taken by a park visitor that thankfully given me some copies....in exchange for the entertainment from watching me on a distance (people in my town is not familiar with kites, so kites are very attracting to their sight....actually, I was put in the local newspaper "Intelligencer" twice last year....and most of the time passersby stop their car and take pictures of my kite) while Montana4 can cruise upwind even the wind speed is below 20kph.....In my newbie opinion, any kite with small aspect ratio that does not generate lifting force in high wind condition and remain docile, whether it is a FB or Depower type can be a trainer kite. And trainer kites can be used as wind engine for cruising in moderate-high upwind direction depending on wingspan size.