Well I just bought a waist harness after hearing how much better and more comfortable they are than the seat harness. But I'm not sure how to keep it from sliding up above my waist (mid chest area) when flying. And not that I'm ready to go there yet, but how can anybody possibly jump with these?

It's a Mystic harness, pictures below:

I have the same issue with my waist harness. The only solution I've found is that your waist needs to be smaller than your chest .. lol .. which I'm working on right now.

if you fly a whole bunch eventually you will get lats....bang!...problem solved

I too have found that I don't have a build suitable for a waist harness. Either I need it so tight that I can't breath or I set it loose enough to breath but then it rotates around and up my body. Seat harness was the only solution for me. You could try adding of 2 leg straps out of webbing that you loop onto each end of the spreader bar and then slip your legs through as put the harness on (so you form a loop on each side of the spreader bar). Its kind of ghetto but it would work - might need some padding added to the webbing to protect the jewels.

It would also prevent spreader bar creep.

Thanks guys. I just found this thread here from a previous poster with the same issue. Odd, because I did a search before posting and this didn't show up.

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=21545

So it sounds like I may be going back to a seat harness. Bummer. Thanks for the recommendation B-Roc. I too was trying to think of a way to rig a seat to the harness. I'll have to give that some thought.

Did you originally have the PL Divine seat harness? I cant remember.

No, I did not.

Try cinching it up so tight that you can't breath. It feels uncomfortable at first but you get used to it.

I have the same issue with my Dakine harness. I use a Mystic combination harness but end up just loosening the leg straps, not taking them off.

If you have the $$dough$$ I highly recommend getting two harnesses....

One for buggy....seat harness PL Divine...will not ride up and will not pinch you off

Dakine Fusion......stand up...ski/static

(there are a ton of personal choices on this one ^^^^ but the Divine for buggy can't be touched for comfort)

@ Bladerunner
I tried that, but can't understand why anybody would want to sacrifice comfort when they could just use a different type of harness. I have a very comfortable seat harness, but it has a wheel instead of a hook. I placed a wanted post here to see if anybody knows where I can get a hook type bar to fit.

@BEC
Is it possible there would be that much difference between mine and the Fusion waist harness? I don't want to buy it and then find it is the same way as this.

I've had a fusion since 2006. Love it. Would replace it with another without a thought. FWIW I'm a size 31 waist but I wear a large fusion. I think that says its for a size 34-36 but I just tighten the waist strap and leave the legs loose. It never goes anywhere and doesn't crush anything.

As you progress you will want to start using waist harness .... It makes whole world difference when you start jumping and need to twist your body to make safe landing .... Seat harness will stop your progression at some point ..... Now .... I did have same issues as everyone who start kiteboarding .... harness riding up is a nightmare ..... so .... what to do ??? ..... As posted by bladerunner .... squeeze every inch that is possible when putting harness on ..... after few minutes of riding it will get comfortable .... make sure you are not riding with poo stance ..... make sure you body is straight and harness is being pulled away from you ..... not up ..... when not kiting keep your kite to the side of wind window .... not at zenith .... that also is so much safer when using kite in overpowered conditions .... At this moment I am able to ride all day long with loose harness and keep it at right place ..... its all about finding your own technique ..... I was using Mystic Worrior II for last few years and recently upgraded to Ion Apex ... big difference .... waist velcro strap on Ion is so powerful and big that holds whole harness in place without any issues ..... back support is non slip material for maximum grip ..... 3 straps on each side to keep spreader bar from moving .... that all helps a lot ...... then .... there are waist harnesses made with back support that slips ... specially for wave riding or people who like to ride a lot toe side or blind .... those harnesses are not staying in place and riders are able to use them without ride up issue .... its all about what you like and your skills ..... and no .... I am not slim person .... my beer muscle is very nicely rounded ....
don't give up on waist harness ...... good luck ...

Whoa... Hey hey hey... Who cares about harnesses,... Did I really just see that Van posted something? ... Wow it's been a minute!!!

We miss you buddy!

There are three ways:
1. keep lower strap (goes through the bottom of the hook) attached and moderately tight
2. ride more, stand static less
3. keep your abs in smaller size than your chest - having an actiual waist is a good prerequisite for a waist harness

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having an actiual waist is a good prerequisite for a waist harness

I'm out

Quote: Originally posted by ssayre

Quote: having an actiual waist is a good prerequisite for a waist harness I'm out

There's gelato and caramel laced brownies in the house.

Rub the tummy for good luck....



ATB,
Sam

Quote: Originally posted by grigorib

1. keep lower strap (goes through the bottom of the hook) attached and

How do you do that? Not sure I understand.

If I understand the previous post correctly, You have the upper strap and the lower strap.

If you tighten the lower strap more that the upper strap, you'll create a V type channel which should lock in against your lower ribs.

ATB,
Sam

Oh I understand. But that's my seat harness and I don't have this problem with that harness. Only my waist harness pictured in my original post has the problem of riding up on me.

crotch hook



kidding....

Quote: Originally posted by jadog

Only my waist harness pictured in my original post has the problem of riding up on me.

Does your waist harness (Mystic Shadow?) have an upper and lower strap or just one big honkin' strap.

ATB,
Sam

I have imagination a bit too wild to see a seat harness slide up to the chest. B-r-r-r-r

The lower strap could be seen on the second picture. But it shouldn't be more tight than the upper strap - it's not designed to hold too much tension, only moderately tight.

Yes it has the lower strap as well, but it doesn't feel like that strap has much if any effect. Good to know to keep it looser than the main. Also great guess on the model - it is indeed the Mystic Shadow.

This helps too.


The Chest Pad works great for lifting and rubbing.


drink more beer, tummy will hold the harness down!

Free Plug for Big Mikes, THANKS for the new chest pad!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuYsH4xsbKE

https://ride-engine.com/shop/harnesses/armor/

Custom fit kitesurfing harnesses. The only way to have a waist harness that's guaranteed to not end up in your armpits.

Lean back against the harness more. I can usually ride with a waist just fine, until I crash then it ends up in my armpits... I prefer the seat for overpowered boosting, the waist for "surfing".

Mystic has a product called Strappies that should, in theory, turn any waist harness into a hybrid like the OR Session. Other option is a waist/seat like the Mystic Star...

I have a spreader bar pad as pictured in the video and it helped for sure but ultimately I replaced that with a pivoting spreader bar and it works way better than the standard hammerhead bar and pad. The hook can pivot up and down which prevents the kite from torqueing the bar up your chest. You may want to consider a pivoting bar.

Quote: Originally posted by Kamikuza

Mystic has a product called Strappies that should, in theory, turn any waist harness into a hybrid like the OR Session.

Mystic Strappies (harness not included.... just the leg and attachment straps)




ATB,
Sam

Quote: Originally posted by Kober

As you progress you will want to start using waist harness .... It makes whole world difference when you start jumping and need to twist your body to make safe landing .... Seat harness will stop your progression at some point .....

Many people are saying that I simply need to make the harness tighter. If it's tight enough to not slide up on me, how will I be able to twist my body inside the harness to make a safe landing? Likely part of my problem is that I'm so slim.

I may have to check out those strappies. Wonder if I could make my own...probably not worth the time.