Hello,
I am new here, and would like build a para wing delta kite.
Has anyone here build one? If so I would like to be able to pick your brain as I am building my kite.
Thank You
renny

Yes I've built a few, what version are you looking to build?

I would like to build the one from this web site.

http://members.shaw.ca/kiteman/

I been read a lot of your stuff. what is the story about single skin kite?
Where can I learn more about them?

thank you
renny:alien:

Hi BigE 123,

I am making a small delta wing using single skin kite construction. I sure not knowing what I am doing it will be very lucky if it fly the first time I try. I am learning alot so far. I have never been a bridle man, but now I must be.
here a photo or two of my single skin delta kite .




I will let you know how things come out with the delta.:alien:

:D It's all about being methodical, I've seen pictures of a guy in Holland flying a Delta wing, he also developed a simple idea for flying one on a single line as it self steered!

After many Nasa style builds and modifying them I came across this paraglider site http://www.laboratoridenvol.com/projects/bhl/bhl.html The plans available are very good but do need you to understand what each aspect of a wing is all about because you do need to make changes to the standard paraglider. The result however is truly a step on from the Nasa kites.

The delta looks like a real good place to start with a self-build and you will learn a lot from it.

Hi,
I was getting know place trying make the bridles the way I was doing it. So I build a bridle board today. I just got done with a small airfoil, so i made the line set for it. It work very nice and fast.







it is 8 foot long and can do two lines at the same time. I only have one line on now. I have 120 feet of line on it and it took me about 3 min to do it. fast and easy. Soon I will be flying my new nasa wing kite, Life is great.

renny

Well done! Depending on the line you are using the key is keeping a constant tension as you do each line. What I do is as I connect each bridle line to the kite check it against the previous one to make sure the difference is correct. It's better taking the time at that point, rather than when it's in the air and trying to see if there is a uniform tension across the kite. I also mark each line with it's number as I measure it to save any mix-ups.

Good luck :D

Thanks that is very good info
renny

I build my first single shin kite, and tryed to fly it to day. sorry no photos by myself, going have to get me a helper.
This is what happen. The wind out of the south about 3 to 6 MPH. I made a little stand for my kite to lay back on so they will stand up right. I put my delta wing up next the stand. The wind will go from 0 to 5 or 6 MPH then back to 0. I wait for a good gust to come. wait I am getting a head of my self here.
here is what the kite look like and the dim. and where the bridle is hooked up to the kite






I have the bridle set up as a one line bridle. the bridle is 14 feet long. I have about 5 deg. of angle of attack. I was worried the the wings would full out with the wind.

This is what happen. I was holding the bridle at the know where the flying line would be hooked up at. The gust came and I puled the hard on the bridle................................ The kite filled with air and took off, went up for about 6 to 10 feet then made a 180 deg. toward the ground. I tryed many time to get it off the ground and fly. No go, just did the same thing. I then tryed to hold the right side of the bridle in my right hand and the left in my left hand. Well it flew for a few sec be for I lost control of it. So even that it did not fly, I am going to make it a four line kite and then it will fly. That is the end took to much space up on this.
well get a helper to take photos next time I hope. Going to put ad in GList for a helper, who know what I will get, hope it human.
reny

Nice one! I'd agree with making it a four line kite to get it flying first. I'll find you a link to the delta I have seen which has been made into a single line kite if that is the route you wanted to take for your kite, otherwise going four line will enable you to control the flight.

I need to find some dacrow braided hollow core(core must be yellow) line. If any one know where I can buy some let me know.

dacrow? Hollow braided? Did you mean Dacron? Usually line is braided with a dyneema core, or are you looking for some sleeving? like this:

"Did you mean Dacron? " yes i did.
I need it for the bridle for my nasa wing.

For bridle line, why do you need hollow core and why must it be yellow?

I have bridled up to a 7m NPW with solid 100# Spectra fishing line. Affordable, available and comes in many colours Give it a try.
Never had a break. I didn't pre-stretch it but it may be a good idea. Also, you need to learn specific knots for Spectra/Dyneema or it will just slip undone.

I also see you are using my favorite material, spin-bonded polyolefin! Official Tyvek brand has a tighter weave than the store-brand stuff and is also lighter - you will find it similarly priced, too.

Hey BigE, it sounds like you may have built a single-skin foil like the one in the link? Got a build thread or more info? Winter is coming and I'm getting that old kite-building feeling again... I love NPWs, but that kite looks exciting...

here is my latest NPW 5
1.1M2

here is a nother one just cut out

At long last, Santa Claus does fly, no wind gray day with rain. but up he goes.






Wind about 2 to 3 MPH





I was very happy is flew in that low of wind. I have it flying in 25 to 35 MPH.




I love flying NPW 5.








I can't wait on till the wind is up, I do have someone to take photos now. She is just learning.





Got to go enjoy
renny

Hi Renny,
good to see it flying! There is something really appealing about the shape of the NPWs flying fully inflated. Well done :D

My first build was a 3m NPW5 and the odd time I fly it, it still puts a smile on my face.

Have you thought about putting a "Z" bridle on it now it's flying? May stop the odd nose collapse.

E

Don't know what a z bridle is. I am new at this kite making, just been doing it from June this year. I have made over 50 kites.
renny

I'm not a NASA wing flyer, but my understanding is that the Z bridle allows you to fly an NPW on handles like a 4 line foil, not requiring constant brake pressure.

John Holgate put Z bridles on his NASA Star 2's and did a great video showing how they work

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n2QWrsXTn-M

When you fly an NPW they need constant brake pressure on the handles to prevent the nose collapsing. Whilst this after a while becomes second nature adding a Z bridle at the kite end, means that the brake line is always under tension and hence minimises any nose collapse. You can then hold the handles more like a foil i.e. with the power line between the top two fingers. Without a Z bridle you need to hold the handles with the power line above the top finger.

Here is what is looks like:

Thanks I will look into that.

Do you feel lucky!!! Then here you go, a new NPW 5 is born. Its name is snake eyes.




It should be flying by the end of the week. Then a big one is coming.



All the snow is gone, but there is snow in the forecast.

renny

I am back to sadsack, for a long time I could not log in as sadsack, but now I can.


I am back

Snake eyes it ready ti fly, but no wind. tomorrow the wind may come back. Will put up photos.

At long last the wing is good, yesterday it was blowing 25 to 35 mph. Today it is about 4 or 5 some time, some time it is 0. But it flew very well.
I am putting this one up for sale, it is the last 1.1m2 that I am going make.
On to bigger and I hope better things.






I am going have to learn how to fly a 4 line kite, I don't do a very good job of it now.























I got to fly today for about 5 min befor the wind died. But it was fun, I played around with the brakes line.
renny

Here is a very bad movie of snake eyes first flight. Larry took it and is not very good at make movies. This was his first time doing it.

http://youtu.be/O16S4q25gIk

I think I am going nuts. My back is killing me from the kite dragging all over the place. I was going to just lay a round this afternoon and watch a movie.
I just could not stop myself from starting my new NPW 5 kite. I got to use my new table for the first time today. This table is going to work out ok. This kite should pull me like I am a 3oz sinker. It is going be 4.1 M2. I just could not stand it that I kite making table was empty. I have not been this driven in many years. kite they are something.

PHOTOS















I should have it all cut out tonight.
by

Here is my new NPW 5 4m2 all cut and layed out on the floor.






This is by far the biggest kite I have made to date.




I will start sewing on it today.






I will let you all know how thing are coming.

So do you like the Descender? Use it with your kites?

I have not try it with a kite yet. I have used it all summer of the beaten path. I am happy with it. I just with the wheels was bigger, say 6".

Its on my list with Santa.