Hi,
I wondering about 2 line big kites.

looking for quality... price is not "the problem", looking for durability, good rods carbon fiber, easy acces to spare parts...

-Level One Thor Hammer
-Hq invento Fazer 360
-Level one Balor 270
-Elliot mammut
-Revolution power blast
-any other suggestion?

next question... looking vids... those guys who fly big kites wear a kind of diapper strapp to legs and belly.... where find this things... home made?? anyones got model / plan / blue print / schema??

just as per exemple for the butt protector.... http://youtu.be/tXJd5ZMkyvE

thanks,

go here http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=29242&p... look at the bottom of the page. sadsack that is me, I have some stuff that you can download and build your own be delta. NASA build on 40 feet by 80 feet. I thing that you most likely won't want one that big, you can make one any size.

https://www.mediafire.com/?1fxm7d05f2n3d1i
download this.

The Thor's Hammer has been discontinued for a few years, so you will only find them on the secondary market and infrequently.

Kent or any of the HQ dealers should be able to get you a Fazer XXL (360).

Teresa at TheKiteShoppe should be able to get you the Balor.

IntoTheWind should be able to get you the Elliot Mirage, but I think the Mammut has been discontinued. The spars on the Mirage XL can double as escrima sticks.



Not sure what the status of the ITW Goliath is.

The Premier Apollo was discontinued 3 or 4+ years ago, Kent had one for a bit, but now it's whatever you can find on the secondary market.

Gunter Wolsing makes huge (HUGE) kites. He generally doesn't sell them but a year or two ago he published a book that I believe contains plans. Caveat: I believe the book is only available in German although the plans themselves should be reasonably easy to suss out using Google Translate.

This should give you an idea of how large some of his kites get.



ATB,
Sam

Thanks Indigo_Wolf,

I'am very in... for a Balor270, i'ved contact direct Jens Frank from level one... he says at this time he don't got sails for the Balor.
Still looking other brands...
Maybe i'am wrong.... the hq fazer xxl looks like "medium" quality?
No i don't even think about build up one by my self... no sewing machine.
Thor Hammer are "hard to find" in good shape.

Just out of curiosity - why aren't these things used for buggies?

You could used a delta stunt kite for a buggy for sure, but you still might want to bridle it for quad handles so you could easily have some sort of stall control when at speed.

I have had my E3 up in 25-30mph winds and could scud with it. I don't know the projected area of the sail, but the wingspan is about 8ft. I think it is one of the slightly larger sizes of stunt kite.

Quote: Originally posted by Randy

Just out of curiosity - why aren't these things used for buggies?

From what I've seen, they are used for buggies but not as much as traction kites. My assumption is that they are too heavy and need more wind. Considering where I live, there won't be enough. Also, crashing one would be deadly. That's definitely an advantage of foils, since they don't have any solid parts. I myself was thinking of getting a Elliot mirage XXL but then changed my decision and decided not to get it as it will probably not come out of the closet due to the demand of wind it requires.

Cheers, Ari

Quote: Originally posted by Randy

Just out of curiosity - why aren't these things used for buggies?

They were.... even smaller ones.

Here's a buggy being flown with a Peter Lynn Excalibur (only 1.2 meters).



A 2 line sparred/framed kite crashing at speed would be rather dramatic and expensive over time.

ATB,
Sam

There's a guys who ride buggy with three kite stacked without any problem.

Revolution Power Series kites are certainly a possible choice for a buggy engine. Being framed kites they would be less crash resistant but are quite tough compared to duallie deltas. It would require some experience flying Revs in particular before attempting to use for motive power. The Power Blast 2-4 would be a good choice if you wanted to try one. It would have a good resale value if you decided it was not what you hoped it would be. The Power Blast 4-8 is a huge kite, very powerful & quite different from other Revs. Not for a beginner or a timid flier making first attempts. I compare it to flying two sheets of plywood but of course it is not that crude. A relatively scarce kite but is available. The smaller Blast kite is powerful enough to use in higher winds also. Back in the day the Revolution 1 was considered a choice as well. There are Revolution stack fliers that run buggies too. I have all these kites & the ambition to use them to power a buggy. I am working on it & read this forum daily to help me along the path. Still a bit timid myself. SHBKF

Waiting my big one... it was not a money question but an availability one.
levelone no answer: balor or thor hammer
space kite no answer: matador
Elliot no answer: miragexxl

got a hook on the hq360XXL

:evil:

Hey long time no see.... last sunday went out with the big boy!
Fazer XXL from HQ! Need big arm to handle it!
I'ved put 100' tail to slow it down a little bit... still very strong!

One of my first kites was the Spectra Sport Windforce 98. It is a dual line delta with a 98" wingspan. I still have it but it and break it out at the beach with a 100' tail made out of old VCR tape (through it away after each use). It makes a ton of noise, pulls like a truck and with a tail you can write all over the sky. Always draws a crowd and I exaggerate the pull for the ohhhhh and ahhhhhh factor but it is fun to fly with.

I'ved already fly revo kite... now i'am looking for a blast 4-8.... i'ved ask a quote to my local dealer.... will see...

The NASA style kites are one way to go for big two-line kites. Born-Kite sells these up to 12.5 square meters. I either currently own or have owned each of these kites. They are of high quality, both in terms of material and workmanship. NS3s are set up to fly as either two or three line kites. When flying only with two lines you simply leave the central bridle line pigtail attached to its little attachment at the kite nose.

http://www.venturi-power.de/index.php?cat=c23_Nasa-Star--3--...

I'm thinking these are not exactly what you are looking for, but I thought I'd throw this idea into the mix. Note that in some decent wind these big NS3s generate the kind of power you could use to pull a car out of mud so please be careful!

picture of the Revolution Power Blast 4-8 plastered against a Chevy Cruze.
Had to wait for the wind to let up a bit before I could pry it loose. SHBKF

Jean Lewis had a stack of 3 delta type kites at JIBE last year. That's all he buggied with. Was pretty cool to watch.

I buggied with a 3 stack of Hawaiians and a 3 stack of NSR's before getting my C-Quads. Was really fun but quite difficult to relaunch if you ever had to.