I just figured this kite deserved it's own thread separate from the "Skin" and other kites. I'm a single skin nut and like Peter Lynn's stuff so I'm looking forward to these. Also, I miss my fixed bridle kites so I'm looking to this style of kite for that and with the advantages of single skin.

Here is a link to the previous thread discussing this kite. I borrowed the picture from the XK forum

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Here is a link to the previous thread discussing this kite.

Just reposting the >>Link<< without a "page" reference.

In the original post this link is specified as

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http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=30106&page=2

For anyone that has their"posts per page" set really high in the Control Panel there is no second page and the link as originally posted blows up.

If that's too geeky, please disregard.

ATB,
Sam

Thanks Sam! I'm not always certain how to do certain stuff and it's never "too geeky"

When this rolls out it's going to be really interesting, mj stated it has no nose supports which imho is why it's fb only, the supports give it that bit extra allowing the AoA change and less brake input and hence bigger window, plus they help in lulls. Interesting times for sure!

-mj-,

If you read this I wonder if you can tell us if PL is considering developing a depower version of single skin?

If not, why not ?

Oh yes! good question BR... -mj- do tell!!!

Aha, good question BR, and one I can't yet answer.
There is some testing being done though.

As BigE said, interesting times!

:D Well one thing is for sure, we we're all here when the revolution started :D

Well put me down for one when they hit the streets!!

These guys should be here Late May / Early June. I have them preordered. I see these as the first batch of a lineup of kites, though nothing official...or even unofficial. Just a gut feeling.

Mike, do you know what the sizes will be?

They are on the second row of this page. there are 3 styles. the play, the TR, and the Quad.

http://www.bigmikeskites.com/PeterLynn.htm

Will these be available with a bar?

Will they have a kite only option?

The bar is the TR as a 3 line kite. More like the current impulse TR. all are complete. Similar to Hornet/Twister. Look for more models next season I suspect.

The TR is a smart market. Almost indestructible and a little less expensive than the traditional kiteboard trainer!

I've got a "PL Special" on order just to see if I like this style of kite and how it compares. If I like it; I'll have to get a full set of Uniqs.

http://www.peterlynnhimself.com/Sale.php

Jessica Liang said they didn't have any in stock and they'd have to make it. Should be here by the end of the month. Looking forward to seeing how it flys.

this is not he same kite by the way.

Yeah RTZ the Uniq is much different from the Skin, if that is what you are referring to.

The kites are in the new catalogue here: http://www.peterlynn.com/downloads/PeterLynnBrochure.pdf
They are on page 15. Found the there models except the play on german webshops. In the Quad is shipping in 1-5 days.

It supposedly has 40-60% more power than foils. So would my sone be able to handle a 1.5m^2 ? That is around the size of a Symphony Pro 2.2. Maybe even the smallest is too big for him and his < 35 kg.

How is it with new products from Peter Lynn ? Is it like Apple products ? You should skip 1st generation, as the will be huge improvements in version 2 a year later ?

They are priced (as quads) 159-229 Euros. for 1.5 and 4.5 respectively. In comparison, a Hornet 2.0 is €199. And the twister way more expensive.

Are the Uniq and single skins in general traction kite only ? Or do they have lift ?

@povlhp, as with anything, there will always be a desire to improve any design. Even if the first is darn near perfect. "Perfect" is in the eye of the beholder IMHO. Any kite produces lift if the conditions call for it. The quad is sounding to me like its going to be a great little traction kite. Should be a good little buggy engine.

Pretty damn sure I'm gonna try at least one... So count me in on the 3.5 or 4.5 for starters.

I would like one of these, but I'm leaning towards urban kites because of the kite only option.

POV,

The single skin revolution is just starting from my POV. I think there will be plenty of room for them to change and improve.
As people are saying there will be a big leap between the skin and the Uniq. I think it is too early to judge but suspect that the Uniq won't be a good model for jumping. I do think the Peak shows promise in that field. From all reports the Peak 2 is a step up in performance so ....

Like kites in general the single skin will have strong points for beginners, touring, and price point etc.. I see a variety of different models to satisfy the different needs. As always, NO kite will do it all.

So, will the early single skin kites hold value? Tough call? I think mostly not ?? Experiencing the revolution from the beginning, priceless!

I personally have decided to stick within the Nasa style of single skin. Since my accident, my main consideration is avoiding lift and it seems to me that the Nasa Stars or NPW provide the LEAST lift... not saying NONE... just considerably less... no more broken bones for me.... of course I'll be keeping my favorite smaller foils

Well, Spence as well you know I am sure, you cannot rule out pilot error. I have jumped with my 3.5m Reactor before. Yes it was on purpose, and yes it was in buttery smooth 20-22mph beach winds. How high did I go? The highest jump had my feet maybe 3 feet off the ground. I didn't send it hard at all, just a gentle sweep to check the lift for my own experience. It was a quick yank up and a plop back down. Never let your guard down on the smaller kites. I don't have to tell you that. No doubt you are a tad gun shy after such a scary moment.

IMHO these new generation kites do out perform the NPW BUT with that performance comes lift! They may be single skin but the work to build is nearly as much as a foil so I can't see the price difference between a foil and "new" single skin being that great UNLESS there are compromises on the design to bring the price down. It all comes down to how much are you willing to pay for what you get, there has already been a post showing a cheap variation and TBH you will you get what you pay for.

It really comes down to what do you really want to enjoy yourself? Do you really need cutting edge performance or will a damn good tractor like an NPW do to put a smile on your face:D

What can I say, I like nice things NPW isn't my style. The only single skin I think I could find myself really enjoying would be an LEI.

Yep, Errol I'm totally gun shy and completely in tune with the fact that even the small foils will lift... I'm only keeping them cuz I like them and will probably never hook in with them... I don't think I would have even before the accident.

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Well, Spence as well you know I am sure, you cannot rule out pilot error. I have jumped with my 3.5m Reactor before. Yes it was on purpose, and yes it was in buttery smooth 20-22mph beach winds. How high did I go? The highest jump had my feet maybe 3 feet off the ground. I didn't send it hard at all, just a gentle sweep to check the lift for my own experience. It was a quick yank up and a plop back down. Never let your guard down on the smaller kites. I don't have to tell you that. No doubt you are a tad gun shy after such a scary moment.

If you ever move inland again, you'll gain a new perspective

IMO, it's too large of a risk to jump with any fixed bridle kites inland or hook in (fixed bridle) without auto qr unless you luck out and get a very seldom perfect day. There is absolutely no way to judge a jump because it's like someone has their finger on a dimmer switch and is inconsistently sliding it up and down. You can compensate with with good pilot skill but then your constantly guarding yourself from the kite and can never really enjoy yourself. Unhooked with killers is a completely different story. Let her rip and let go when need be. A nasa wing or a proper depower can allow you to handle and control much more power in a controlled fashion.

Okay, I'm off my soapbox

And by the way, I wouldn't trust the uniq hooked in either until I learn otherwise.