I have a Peter Lynn Scorpion 13m ready-to-fly, for sale for $375 delivered in the continental USA.



The photo gallery for the kite and bar is at https://goo.gl/photos/kCh4kgPmjuA9Xwes8. The kite is yellow, green, black and white. The kite has some repairs, all visible in the gallery. All damage was repaired with peel and stick cloth and stitched except for one small patch on the back that was never stitched.

The bar is a custom-built long bar with numerous features I've put into all the bars I use when I buggy.

* 17 or 20 inch bar (sorry I forgot to measure it before I packed the kite.)
* Long throw
* 200# Q-Powerline line top lines, 150# brided spectra bottom lines.
* ClamCleat Aerocleat trim control
* Adjustable cleat position to trade trim control for bar throw
* Peter Lynn Navigator chickenloop with shortened loop to maximize arm reach.
* Double trim line of 5mm Amsteel
* Moveable Delrin stopper
* Top line flag out on 4.5 safety line.

The designs allows free bar spin when the bar is on the stopper.

The safety line works best with a short elastic leash to pull the slack out of the safety line when the bar is trimmed in. I can provide the elastic cord cut and stitched to length if needed, but have no clips. You would have to provide your own clip.

The kite comes with the burgundy and white sausage bag shown in the photos.

Please contact me at philipbchase@gmail.com or 352-575-0705 if you are interested.

Philip

Price drop to $425.

The kite is great, but the understated treasure in the sale is the bar. The bar is a dream to fly on. This is the product of years of iteration to find a design that gives me all the functionality I want without the compromises I have seen in so many commercial bars. I am a kite buggier. I've considered other things and dabbled occasionally, but I always come right back to the buggy for the speed and stability. I started flying with Peter Lynn '07 bar and quickly started making my own bars from parts. I was intrigued by long throw designs, but never could find one I liked. I tried a Navigator, but found it was tailored to water sports and trick flying--not buggying.

The one indisputably awesome feature in the Navigator is the Aerocleat. It has become the foundation for everything I have done since. Fortunately, it is available as a retail part from ClamCleats. I've refined the design a lot since with some custom parts, off the shelf parts, and some modded retail parts. It even continues to evolve, but I have settled on the larger Aerocleat, a double spectra trim line, a movable Delrin stopper, a 4.5 line safety line, skinny flying lines, a very short elastic leash, and a very small chicken loop. All of these features are part of this bar.

This design allows you to maximize the throw of the bar for any arm length while keeping all controls within reach. The moveable stopper allows for a fine adjustment of the trim and hands free riding on long runs. Two finger steering is a breeze. The free spinning of the bar of the stopper allows you to maintain a steady trim while spinning the bar. The 4.5-line safety system tethers the kite to you in a release with the minimum of gear and hassle.

I have tried a lot of bar variations and this is now my preferred rig. I'm a buggier who created a bar that fits my riding style. If you buggy with Arcs I am sure you would like this bar. I expect it would work well with other kites as well. If you'd like to buy the bar separately, that can also be arranged. It's not cheap to build, but it is worth the effort and the money.

Philip

FYI- For those that don't know phillip or his obsession with buggy bar perfection, if you are serious about buggying with an arc and still want to do something other than park and ride- His bars are clean and the ticket. I have been watching his bar adjustments for the last 3-4 years at JIBE and think that with his bar I might actually try buggying with one of my arcs. (I am currently a fixed bridle buggy guy only and depower if standing)
Scott

FYI- For those that don't know phillip or his obsession with buggy bar perfection, if you are serious about buggying with an arc and still want to do something other than park and ride- His bars are clean and the ticket. I have been watching his bar adjustments for the last 3-4 years at JIBE and think that with his bar I might actually try buggying with one of my arcs. (I am currently a fixed bridle buggy guy only and depower if standing)
Scott

Yes, Phillip "raises the bar" significantly with his rigs. Great deal.

200# front line and 150# back line? Is that enough? I'm by no means questioning Phillip's expertise but thought it needed to be heavier. Is that all that is necessary? Just curious.

Or is that maybe kg?

The short answer to the line strength question is, "I don't know".

I'm unsure about the 200#. Nick and I bought a spool of 200# qpro and turned it all into line sets. I've had a failure and Nick has had a double failure. I broke mine diving into the power from a full stop in soft sand with a 200# guy in the tandem buggy behind me. It was stupid. I know better, but I was overeager. So 200# is not strong enough for stupid tandem pilots. I didn't witness NicS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-s double failure, but he said he was glad it broke. He felt his situation was out of hand.

As to the #150, I do think it's enough. I tried #90 and it was too delicate. #90 line kept snagging on sage brush and logs and tearing out the bottom line. So far I have had no issues on the #150 on the bottom. Nick has been flying #200 on the bottom with no issues.

So back to the top lines: I've never broken #300 test spectra kite buggying. Never, full stop. It hasn't happened. So I'm confident #300 is enough for non-jumping kite buggier who weighs about 170lbs. My latest lineset is #275 'cause it's the closest thing I had to #300.

Do keep in mind this is for land kiting with no jumping. I don't jump. I'll let the jumpers voice their opinion on what's enough for jumping. It's just not my bailiwick.

FYI, my 4.5 safety system demands a skinny, snag-free line end on the top line. A spliced, hollow core spectra will provide the skinniest line end. Stitched line ends can work but must be carefully stitched to avoid a snaggy end. Knotted lines must use a low-diameter line and a carefully tied knot. Line sleeving will never work. Whatever you use it has to be tested. I am unsure, but suspect this constraint exists on most 4.5 line systems. Do share if you have an example that proves me wrong.

Does this excessive wordiness help? I hope so.

Philip

IMHO I would put 300 on the bottom at the minimum and 600 up top. When i weighed 190 lbs I have had 200# snap multiple times when fly a dual line static and was leaning back hard against the kite , the kite was a 3ish meter and I was flying in 10mph wind . When the lines go slack durring a lull and you hit a gust and the kite powers up. the force on the lines can be more than double your weight. plus remember the weight of the buggy. I believe that is the reason for the normal 600 # all around.


If you stay with the low weight lines I would suggest only flying on the lower end of the wind range of the kite.

I loved the wordiness. The difference that separates the more experienced flyers from everyone else is knowing the limits of the gear among other things. Your 4.5 system sounds a little like my peaks safety system in that at least one of the top lines has to be a smooth spliced loop for the safety to work correctly. i would probably use larger line if I was making them if for no reason than they are easier to splice. I had a heck of a time splicing my pl brake lines and found the larger front line easier. Pl lines that come with fb is what I used.

600 lb and up became the norm in kitesurfing when people started taking to the air. Many people use the stock line sets that are now the heavier breaking strength. For myself, and a few friends I ride with, we always found it way too heavy with the thicker stronger lines and I've run 300 lb top lines and anything from 150 to 200 bottom lines - more ofter 200 Q power. I have a couple of lighter friends that have also run the 200 tops and 150 bottom but they are lighter and have also snapped a line - but they are also running different types of spectra or dyneema lines and all are not equal quality. I generally use Q power pro on bars i set up and like the whistling from the lines when they are running fast. When i want speed I go as light as I feel safe and also will run shorter lines but again trade offs on performance with some kites.
It can sometimes be a finer line between speed and safety and if you are concerned go stronger and always check lines for any wear if you are going out in higher winds. Go Safety First.
If you are not a rider milking it for the very bottom end light wind riding you will not notice a difference and unless you are going for higher speeds and running beside someone else to compare you might not notice a difference especially if you feel you are going fast enough as is.

So same as Philip, I'm confident with my 300lb tops running arcs, and I don't feel that is getting close to that fine line of safety but 200lb might be. I've ridden the 330/200 on the dry lakes in those higher gusty winds at some high speeds for many years - but like shortlineflyer suggest, for the majority of people I would go with the stronger lines provided standard.

Mark

Quote: Originally posted by markite

600 lb and up became the norm in kitesurfing when people started taking to the air. ...

That's where I figured the #600 line came from. I took me a long time to realize that line was chosen for people that fly differently from me.

Philip

do you want to sell your 10m scorpion

...back to the thread - awesome bar for sale complete with 13m Scorpion!

Quote: Originally posted by shortlineflyer

do you want to sell your 10m scorpion

Uh, maybe. I was hoping to find a similarly-sized replacement first, but I will refuse no offer I have not received.

Sorry for the delay in responding. I hadn't seen these last two posts.

Philip

Quote: Originally posted by pbc

Price drop to $425. ...

Price drop to $400...

...and the bar is still awesome. :-)

Philip

what condition is the 10m in? Are you going to WW?

Quote: Originally posted by shortlineflyer

what condition is the 10m in? Are you going to WW?

I'm not going to Wildwood. I do expect to be at Jekyll Island for the October gathering, but no WW. Fedex?

As to the kites condition, it has been well loved. It has had one encounter with a chain link fence (2-3 patches sub-finger size), one encounter with a spikey tree (13 very small patches, mostly round) and one blown rib. All have been repaired with insignia cloth and stitched. The repair cloth matches the skin where it's applied.

The spar pockets abraded through, but have been reinforced with two Kevlar layers and a top layer of insignia cloth and stitched. The spars are tubular aluminum and break down.

The work is good. Some of it is professionally done. The rest is by me, but I am a freakin' perfectionist. The kite flies great. I don't really want to sell it. You'd have to make it worth my while.

Philip

no worries, I will keep looking. know anyone that has one

Returning to the matter at hand...I need to sell this kite. So once again it's time for a price drop! $375 RTF delivered. There's still time get this fine rig into your hands before Wildwood or the meet up at Jekyll. The bar and lines are attached and ready to go.

It's a fine machine, but with a 12m P2 in my quiver the 13m Scorpion doesn't get much use.

Philip