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Windstruck
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The right number of kites in your quiver
I'd like to know people's thoughts on the right number of kites in your quiver. Here's what I think: :D
While the minimum number of kites one should own is three, the correct number if you are single is n+1, where n is the number of
kites currently owned.
If you are significantly entwined the equation may also be re-written as s-1, where s is the number of kites owned that would result
in separation from your partner.
Born-Kites:
RaceStar+ (3.0m, 5.0m, 7.0m, 9.0m)
NasaStar-5 (2.5m, 4.0m)
NasaStar-4 (2.5m)
NasaStar-3 (3.2m)
Ozone kites:
Access (6.0m)
Flysurfer Kites:
Peak-5 (2.5m)
Buggy:
Peter Lynn BigFoot+ nose & tail; midsection VTT rail & seat kit; home-brewed AQR
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n+1 is definitely the minimum. Its the nature of the human spirit to want that which it does not possess. The search for the next kite always
begins the day the new kite is first flown.
Depower Quiver: 14m Gin Eskimo, 10m Gin Eskimo III, 6m Gin Yeti, 4.5m Gin Yeti (custom bridle and mixer)
Fixed Bridle Quiver: MAC Bego 400, JOJO ET Instinct 2.5 & 5.5, Lil Devil 1.5, Sting 1.2
Rides: Ground Industries
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Too true! I found myself hoping today that when Flysurfer inevitably comes out with the Peak 3 series that they offer a 14-15m size!
Born-Kites:
RaceStar+ (3.0m, 5.0m, 7.0m, 9.0m)
NasaStar-5 (2.5m, 4.0m)
NasaStar-4 (2.5m)
NasaStar-3 (3.2m)
Ozone kites:
Access (6.0m)
Flysurfer Kites:
Peak-5 (2.5m)
Buggy:
Peter Lynn BigFoot+ nose & tail; midsection VTT rail & seat kit; home-brewed AQR
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I think I'm done except for one kite that I'm not in any rush for. You reach a point that you find a couple varieties that you like and really don't
want anything else except good wind and people to share what you already have. My quiver will be stuck in this particular time period of kiting
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For me it would be 2n+2 since my wife has and wants one of each kite I have. It is a little on the expensive side to support such an equation but
having a full time kite buddy is more than worth it.
Prism Micron
Rev B Series Standard,Vented,Full Vented
Rev PowerBlast 2-4
Rush 3 Pro
Ozone Access 4, 6, 8,10
Ozone Summit 8, 10
Ozone Frenzy 13m Ultralite
Cabrinha 7, 9, 13 Xbow
Cabrinha 11 Switchblade
2 PL BigFoot Buggies
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Heh. That being said, 5 is the perfect # for me, if I'm being reasonable. 6, 8, 10, 12, 14. Anything else is just silly, but there is still a piece
of me that's attracted to "fringe" kites (NPW, Peak, Strutless, etc). So yeah, I guess n+1
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I had so many kites at one time that people used to think I owned a shop. When I moved to depower I sold or gave away almost all the FB stuff, well
all the stuff that the mice hadn't eaten.
Recently I have had another major garage clear out. I sold buggies and wheels and odd & ends, I even gave one kid 12 LEI's for free. His Nissan
Micra bursting at the seems.
Yeah I used to be very experimental n+1 but not anymore. My ideal quiver now is #1 buggy, #1 kite. I have found 'the
one',....actually it was stolen, so I have 'the none'
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Windstruck
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Oh no! That is a terrible story RedSky! Not to pour salt in the wounds friend, but what was The One? :o
Born-Kites:
RaceStar+ (3.0m, 5.0m, 7.0m, 9.0m)
NasaStar-5 (2.5m, 4.0m)
NasaStar-4 (2.5m)
NasaStar-3 (3.2m)
Ozone kites:
Access (6.0m)
Flysurfer Kites:
Peak-5 (2.5m)
Buggy:
Peter Lynn BigFoot+ nose & tail; midsection VTT rail & seat kit; home-brewed AQR
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Thanks Windy, good thread .
I lost/stolen my 9m Genetrix Hydra. My one good kite for everything sub 10mph to 40+mph. I've been through so many other LEI's over the years that I
thought I'd never settle on any one kite but I'm surprised and genuine when I say the Hydra is 'the one' for me.
Unfortunately I'm not a 'team' rider for Genetrix, I'm just a rider, a barker if you will, but I'm happy to recommend them all day even if I wasn't.
Makes no odds to me as I still can't afford their heavily discounted kites. :D...but one day I will buy another. Hey, its not like I lost a puppy or
anything, its just a kite.
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@ RedSky - I hadn't been familiar with the Genetrix Hydra line. Cool stuff - "flat" LEI. Interesting concept. I read that speed records had been
set with them. I hope you find yourself in a position more sooner than later to restock that quiver of yours with a most important
n+1 addition!
Born-Kites:
RaceStar+ (3.0m, 5.0m, 7.0m, 9.0m)
NasaStar-5 (2.5m, 4.0m)
NasaStar-4 (2.5m)
NasaStar-3 (3.2m)
Ozone kites:
Access (6.0m)
Flysurfer Kites:
Peak-5 (2.5m)
Buggy:
Peter Lynn BigFoot+ nose & tail; midsection VTT rail & seat kit; home-brewed AQR
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Quote: Originally posted by ssayre | I think I'm done except for one kite that I'm not in any rush for. You reach a point that you find a couple varieties that you like and really don't
want anything else except good wind and people to share what you already have. My quiver will be stuck in this particular time period of kiting
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You guys didn't buy this line of bs did you? There's no beginning or end, just constant buying and selling.
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Windstruck
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Sean, I was just giving you space. :D
Born-Kites:
RaceStar+ (3.0m, 5.0m, 7.0m, 9.0m)
NasaStar-5 (2.5m, 4.0m)
NasaStar-4 (2.5m)
NasaStar-3 (3.2m)
Ozone kites:
Access (6.0m)
Flysurfer Kites:
Peak-5 (2.5m)
Buggy:
Peter Lynn BigFoot+ nose & tail; midsection VTT rail & seat kit; home-brewed AQR
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Quote: Originally posted by ssayre | I think I'm done except for one kite that I'm not in any rush for. You reach a point that you find a couple varieties that you like and really don't
want anything else except good wind and people to share what you already have. My quiver will be stuck in this particular time period of kiting
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I spit my coffee and laughed out loud when I read that
Proper quivers are simple....you find enough kites
Then you want more than enough...storage is a separate issue
US-31...Cquad set/ 2.5 Bullet/ 2.6 Viper/ 2.9m Reactor/ 2- 3.5m Bullet/ 3.6 Beamer/ 4m Buster/ 4m Toxic/ 4m Ikon dp/ 4.5 Bullet/ 4.9m Blade/ 5.6
Twister/ 6.6m Blade/ 7.5 Apex/ 9m Fuel/ Phantom I 9,12,15,18/ 2 Flexibugs/ PL Big Foot/ landboards
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I have to work with the OLD math. From before C for credit was a factor.
$=0 x .73
Where $ is the amount I can spend on a quiver, 0 is my " fun money account " and .73 is exchange rate to U.S.. Until I find a number and couple of
zeros to throw in front of the 1st denominator and the .73 multiplier goes up the final answer for $ remains 0.
Good news is I am becoming FAR more intimate with the kites I already have! :D
Joking aside, I have 5 kites / kite sizes that see regular rotation. I think most people need 3.
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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You guys forgetting high winds, low winds, janky winds, smooth coastal winds? I have 7 fixed bridle kites and need 2 more. I have 3 arcs and thats
probably enough with their wide wind range. 8m HQ Montana VIII for a broad spectrum of riding conditions. Two LEIs for the speedy stuff or ultra high
wind work. After 8 years of this and 2 quiver overhauls, I'm just about satisfied that I have something to ride with when I get the chance.
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Landsegler Disc wheels
PTW Hero Buggy - XXtreme ApeXX Buggy US 88 - Libre Hardcore
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HQ Montana X 8m, Montana IX 12m, HQ Ignition LEI 5m,
PL Phantom 12m, 15m, Big Blu 24m+, Synergy 10m, Venom 10m, 13m , Phantom II 12m Vapors 3.8, 5.4, Crosskite Sonic 7m, PKD Combat 10.3m
Uturn Butane 2.5m PKD Buster 3m Genetrix Hydra 7m Ozone Yakuza GT 14m
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42 is a nice round number....
ATB,
Sam
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42 has a wonderful ring to it Sam!
Born-Kites:
RaceStar+ (3.0m, 5.0m, 7.0m, 9.0m)
NasaStar-5 (2.5m, 4.0m)
NasaStar-4 (2.5m)
NasaStar-3 (3.2m)
Ozone kites:
Access (6.0m)
Flysurfer Kites:
Peak-5 (2.5m)
Buggy:
Peter Lynn BigFoot+ nose & tail; midsection VTT rail & seat kit; home-brewed AQR
NAPKA Member US2815
SWATK Member UT0003
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Hey, the answer is a held within science and mathematics in a delta wing:
http://www.mathportal.org/calculators/plane-geometry-calcula...
Dave - Life is a big ocean out there to swim in.
2.3m Peter Lynn Vibe II
Two 2.6m Peter Lynn Viper S's
3.9m Peter Lynn Viper
5.3m Peter Lynn Viper
5.3m Peter Lynn ViperS
6.8m Peter Lynn Viper S
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My own personal opinion is 3 Depower kites can cover most people fully, with those of us using mixed for water/land and being inland, preferring 5-6
to avoid our LEIs getting trashed faster... And then as many fixed bridles as you want/cover your needs, which depends on how many places you fly (for
their common winds) and such...
N+1 sounds good to me, and as I'm starting to get my wife into flying, definitely will be picking up some more that overlap with my current, so we can
both go out at once.
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For my situation, I have three, 18m phanny, 12m Phanny, and the 9m phanny. It covers all my rideable wind range and let's me fly inland with gusty
winds when I feel the need.
I habe thought of getting a few fixed bridle kites again, but I really don't think I would use them that often. I can hang with the fast boys with my
phannies and that's good enough for me.
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Most of the time for me I am good with the biggest one I've got... but one is just never enough. ...n+1 works for me.
So I bought my first Mandolin the other day... I wonder how many I'll end up with after a year or 2
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I have 3 mandolins and a fiddle Spencer!!
Cross Kites Sonic 3, 5m
Ozone Flow 2, 3, 4, 5m
Ace II 4, 5m
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4, 5, 6m ATB landsurfer. Custom longboard deck
Buggy: VTT Black Widow v2.0
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I've got a 5 string Banjo. Bluegrass band anyone?
Rev 1.5 SLE
PL Pepper 1.5m, Twister III 3m
Flysurfer Peak I 6m, Peak II 12m
Ozone Access V6 6m, 4m incoming!
Arcs Venom 13m, Synergy 15m
LEIs Slingshot Rally 7m, 9, 12m
Kheo Flyer Landboard
PTW SuperBug II
Nobile NHP Carbon Split
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And 2 acoustic guitars. Thread drift.....
Mandos are by far my favorite.
Oh yeah....Kites are pretty cool too.
Cross Kites Sonic 3, 5m
Ozone Flow 2, 3, 4, 5m
Ace II 4, 5m
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4, 5, 6m ATB landsurfer. Custom longboard deck
Buggy: VTT Black Widow v2.0
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soliver
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My new heroes.... Deffo gonna bring it to JIBE. (Don't tell Ashli )
My 2 oldest play the Guitar and Violin respectively, so a bluegrass Trio is already in the works... My third is learning the harmonica... did I
mention we have a noisy house?
So the new formula for me is (n+1)+(mx2) where m is the number of mandolins I currently own, and where once m=2 the formula will change to
(n+1)+(m+1).... you get the point.
Someone please freeze my bank account.
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Ok, gang... so maybe I'm starting to see a pattern... a personality quirk... it seems like people like us that get into these sorts of things have a
tendency to get our first of something in a hobby and say to ourselves "wow self, I really like this thing,... if only it did this aspect just a
little differently or better... guess I better start saving for my next thing..." so inevitably n+1 becomes that by which our wives lose their sanity
where n equals WHATEVER thing hold our interest at the moment.
Kites
Mandolins
Woodworking tools
Quad copters
etc
etc
etc
What other n's do we have?... not intending to veer the thread, but how many of us have this tendency with our hobbies?
How many pairs of skis do you have Steve?
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My formula is ....... bank account balance = kites ...... lol ......
New Jersey Kite Addicts
NAPKA US-212
2021 Eleveight FS .........10......12
2021 Eleveight XS .........14
Gin Zulu II / III .........5...7
Gin Sherpa .......10
Gin Yeti ..........4.5
Gin Tonkawa ..........3.1...4.1...5.4...6.8...8.7...11.5...15.4
Liquid Force ELITE .... 6m
Flysurfer Speed4 Lotus 18m
Flysurfer Sonic-FR .... 9 ....11....18m
Flysurfer Sonic2 .....11....15m
2016 Nobile Zen Hydrofoil with Infinity 5.1' splitboard
2019 Nobile 2HD with Ronix One boots
2020 Nobile NHP split foil with Ronix Parks boots
MG Supra ......... pulling KiteTrike
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i have 7 pairs of skis...and dont even ski anymore
good thing about the beer hobby is they tend not to sit around very long
US-31...Cquad set/ 2.5 Bullet/ 2.6 Viper/ 2.9m Reactor/ 2- 3.5m Bullet/ 3.6 Beamer/ 4m Buster/ 4m Toxic/ 4m Ikon dp/ 4.5 Bullet/ 4.9m Blade/ 5.6
Twister/ 6.6m Blade/ 7.5 Apex/ 9m Fuel/ Phantom I 9,12,15,18/ 2 Flexibugs/ PL Big Foot/ landboards
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But. :o
My toy box is bigger than your toy box............thus I have more room in my shop to store more of my toys.
doesn't suck to have a 3000 square foot toy box!
:frog:
<insert win here>
Dave - Life is a big ocean out there to swim in.
2.3m Peter Lynn Vibe II
Two 2.6m Peter Lynn Viper S's
3.9m Peter Lynn Viper
5.3m Peter Lynn Viper
5.3m Peter Lynn ViperS
6.8m Peter Lynn Viper S
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My Canadian math works the same as Bladerunner's. As such, I just keep flying homemade NPWs... the only thing I want to add to the quiver is a 5m.
...Wait, that would be n+1 wouldn't it?
Homebuilt: 1m NPW9b, 2.6m NPW21, 7m NPW21 UDS
HQ: 3.2m Crossfire, 5m + 7m Apex 3
6m Ozone Explore v2
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