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[*] posted on 26-9-2015 at 04:15 PM
The right number of kites in your quiver


I'd like to know people's thoughts on the right number of kites in your quiver. Here's what I think: :D

While the minimum number of kites one should own is three, the correct number if you are single is n+1, where n is the number of kites currently owned.

If you are significantly entwined the equation may also be re-written as s-1, where s is the number of kites owned that would result in separation from your partner.



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Flysurfer Kites:
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[*] posted on 26-9-2015 at 04:26 PM


n+1 is definitely the minimum. Its the nature of the human spirit to want that which it does not possess. The search for the next kite always begins the day the new kite is first flown.



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[*] posted on 26-9-2015 at 04:35 PM


Quote: Originally posted by B-Roc  
n+1 is definitely the minimum.


Too true! I found myself hoping today that when Flysurfer inevitably comes out with the Peak 3 series that they offer a 14-15m size! :lol:



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NasaStar-3 (3.2m)

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[*] posted on 26-9-2015 at 04:36 PM


I think I'm done except for one kite that I'm not in any rush for. You reach a point that you find a couple varieties that you like and really don't want anything else except good wind and people to share what you already have. My quiver will be stuck in this particular time period of kiting history.
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[*] posted on 26-9-2015 at 06:10 PM


For me it would be 2n+2 since my wife has and wants one of each kite I have. It is a little on the expensive side to support such an equation but having a full time kite buddy is more than worth it.



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[*] posted on 26-9-2015 at 09:38 PM


Heh. That being said, 5 is the perfect # for me, if I'm being reasonable. 6, 8, 10, 12, 14. Anything else is just silly, but there is still a piece of me that's attracted to "fringe" kites (NPW, Peak, Strutless, etc). So yeah, I guess n+1 :)
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[*] posted on 27-9-2015 at 12:11 AM


I had so many kites at one time that people used to think I owned a shop. When I moved to depower I sold or gave away almost all the FB stuff, well all the stuff that the mice hadn't eaten.

Recently I have had another major garage clear out. I sold buggies and wheels and odd & ends, I even gave one kid 12 LEI's for free. His Nissan Micra bursting at the seems.
Yeah I used to be very experimental n+1 but not anymore. My ideal quiver now is #1 buggy, #1 kite. I have found 'the one',....actually it was stolen, so I have 'the none'
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[*] posted on 27-9-2015 at 05:46 AM


Oh no! That is a terrible story RedSky! Not to pour salt in the wounds friend, but what was The One? :o



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NasaStar-3 (3.2m)

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Flysurfer Kites:
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[*] posted on 27-9-2015 at 08:15 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck  
Oh no! That is a terrible story RedSky! Not to pour salt in the wounds friend, but what was The One? :o


Thanks Windy, good thread :thumbup:.
I lost/stolen my 9m Genetrix Hydra. My one good kite for everything sub 10mph to 40+mph. I've been through so many other LEI's over the years that I thought I'd never settle on any one kite but I'm surprised and genuine when I say the Hydra is 'the one' for me.

Unfortunately I'm not a 'team' rider for Genetrix, I'm just a rider, a barker if you will, but I'm happy to recommend them all day even if I wasn't. Makes no odds to me as I still can't afford their heavily discounted kites. :D...but one day I will buy another. Hey, its not like I lost a puppy or anything, its just a kite. ;)
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[*] posted on 27-9-2015 at 09:36 AM


@ RedSky - I hadn't been familiar with the Genetrix Hydra line. Cool stuff - "flat" LEI. Interesting concept. I read that speed records had been set with them. I hope you find yourself in a position more sooner than later to restock that quiver of yours with a most important n+1 addition! :thumbup:



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[*] posted on 27-9-2015 at 10:21 AM


Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
I think I'm done except for one kite that I'm not in any rush for. You reach a point that you find a couple varieties that you like and really don't want anything else except good wind and people to share what you already have. My quiver will be stuck in this particular time period of kiting history.


You guys didn't buy this line of bs did you? There's no beginning or end, just constant buying and selling.
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[*] posted on 27-9-2015 at 10:57 AM


Sean, I was just giving you space. :D



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NasaStar-3 (3.2m)

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[*] posted on 27-9-2015 at 12:19 PM


Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
I think I'm done except for one kite that I'm not in any rush for. You reach a point that you find a couple varieties that you like and really don't want anything else except good wind and people to share what you already have. My quiver will be stuck in this particular time period of kiting history.

I spit my coffee and laughed out loud when I read that
Proper quivers are simple....you find enough kites
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[*] posted on 27-9-2015 at 12:39 PM


I have to work with the OLD math. From before C for credit was a factor.

$=0 x .73
Where $ is the amount I can spend on a quiver, 0 is my " fun money account " and .73 is exchange rate to U.S.. Until I find a number and couple of zeros to throw in front of the 1st denominator and the .73 multiplier goes up the final answer for $ remains 0.

Good news is I am becoming FAR more intimate with the kites I already have! :thumbup: :(:thumbup::D

Joking aside, I have 5 kites / kite sizes that see regular rotation. I think most people need 3.



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[*] posted on 27-9-2015 at 03:04 PM


You guys forgetting high winds, low winds, janky winds, smooth coastal winds? I have 7 fixed bridle kites and need 2 more. I have 3 arcs and thats probably enough with their wide wind range. 8m HQ Montana VIII for a broad spectrum of riding conditions. Two LEIs for the speedy stuff or ultra high wind work. After 8 years of this and 2 quiver overhauls, I'm just about satisfied that I have something to ride with when I get the chance.



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[*] posted on 27-9-2015 at 04:19 PM


42 is a nice round number....



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[*] posted on 27-9-2015 at 05:33 PM


42 has a wonderful ring to it Sam! :cool:



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NasaStar-3 (3.2m)

Ozone kites:
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[*] posted on 28-9-2015 at 10:27 AM


Hey, the answer is a held within science and mathematics in a delta wing:


http://www.mathportal.org/calculators/plane-geometry-calcula...



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[*] posted on 28-9-2015 at 11:53 AM


My own personal opinion is 3 Depower kites can cover most people fully, with those of us using mixed for water/land and being inland, preferring 5-6 to avoid our LEIs getting trashed faster... And then as many fixed bridles as you want/cover your needs, which depends on how many places you fly (for their common winds) and such...

N+1 sounds good to me, and as I'm starting to get my wife into flying, definitely will be picking up some more that overlap with my current, so we can both go out at once.
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[*] posted on 28-9-2015 at 07:14 PM


For my situation, I have three, 18m phanny, 12m Phanny, and the 9m phanny. It covers all my rideable wind range and let's me fly inland with gusty winds when I feel the need.

I habe thought of getting a few fixed bridle kites again, but I really don't think I would use them that often. I can hang with the fast boys with my phannies and that's good enough for me.





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[*] posted on 28-9-2015 at 08:30 PM


Most of the time for me I am good with the biggest one I've got... but one is just never enough. ...n+1 works for me.

So I bought my first Mandolin the other day... I wonder how many I'll end up with after a year or 2 :smilegrin:



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[*] posted on 29-9-2015 at 05:33 PM


I have 3 mandolins and a fiddle Spencer!!



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[*] posted on 30-9-2015 at 01:17 AM


I've got a 5 string Banjo. Bluegrass band anyone?



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[*] posted on 30-9-2015 at 04:02 AM


And 2 acoustic guitars. Thread drift.....
Mandos are by far my favorite.

Oh yeah....Kites are pretty cool too.



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[*] posted on 30-9-2015 at 06:48 AM


Quote: Originally posted by 3shot  
I have 3 mandolins and a fiddle Spencer!!

Quote: Originally posted by robinsonpr  
I've got a 5 string Banjo. Bluegrass band anyone?


Quote: Originally posted by 3shot  
And 2 acoustic guitars. Thread drift.....
Mandos are by far my favorite.


My new heroes.... Deffo gonna bring it to JIBE. (Don't tell Ashli :smilegrin: )

My 2 oldest play the Guitar and Violin respectively, so a bluegrass Trio is already in the works... My third is learning the harmonica... did I mention we have a noisy house?

So the new formula for me is (n+1)+(mx2) where m is the number of mandolins I currently own, and where once m=2 the formula will change to (n+1)+(m+1).... you get the point.

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[*] posted on 30-9-2015 at 06:59 AM


Ok, gang... so maybe I'm starting to see a pattern... a personality quirk... it seems like people like us that get into these sorts of things have a tendency to get our first of something in a hobby and say to ourselves "wow self, I really like this thing,... if only it did this aspect just a little differently or better... guess I better start saving for my next thing..." so inevitably n+1 becomes that by which our wives lose their sanity where n equals WHATEVER thing hold our interest at the moment.

Kites
Mandolins
Woodworking tools
Quad copters
etc
etc
etc

What other n's do we have?... not intending to veer the thread, but how many of us have this tendency with our hobbies?

How many pairs of skis do you have Steve? :smilegrin:



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[*] posted on 30-9-2015 at 07:20 AM


My formula is ....... bank account balance = kites ...... lol ......



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[*] posted on 30-9-2015 at 07:34 AM


i have 7 pairs of skis...and dont even ski anymore
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[*] posted on 30-9-2015 at 08:43 AM


But. :o


My toy box is bigger than your toy box............thus I have more room in my shop to store more of my toys.


doesn't suck to have a 3000 square foot toy box!



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[*] posted on 30-9-2015 at 11:53 AM


My Canadian math works the same as Bladerunner's. As such, I just keep flying homemade NPWs... the only thing I want to add to the quiver is a 5m.

...Wait, that would be n+1 wouldn't it?



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